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Question: Will PlayStation 3 Bounce Back?
Yes, Sony will come out on top - 2 (5.9%)
Yes, but Sony won't be number 1 - 16 (47.1%)
No, PlayStation 3 is doomed - 16 (47.1%)
Total Voters: 33

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Offline JordAnime

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« #80 on: February 28, 2007 »

Sony needs to really shut up, their PR department is a joke.

Get this latest interview thing from Jack Tretton:

April or May is when we feel like we're going to catch up to demand and have product fully in stock across North America and stay there.

Our goal is to fill shelves across the United States. Our goal is not to have empty shelves, it's to have full shelves. If we have empty shelves, that's one less consumer who could have bought a PLAYSTATION 3.

-Jack Tretton


Hmm, well it's nice that Sony's got a lot of their product out there, and I mean it's selling but the fact is that they've produced less units for both the North American and Japanese markets than Nintendo has for every market?  And I still don't see Wii's in any of the obvious places...so what's the deal?

Okay, so outside of that piece of glib propaganda, what else can we chalk up from the last few days...

Here's one from down under, let's see what Michael Ephraim from SCE Austrailia has to say...

“We think PS3 is not a product to be compared with Wii, it is a completely different product. This is a digital hub, that is a games console.”
- SCE Australia boss Michael Ephraimp

Oh, what the fuck is a digital hub, exactly, and why would I want one? 

Sony PlayStation and PlayStation 2 were successful because they were video game machines, not "digital hubs", I want games, not Blu Ray and a litany of other crappy features. 

You know what's great, illogical press releases, those really help a company.  Next we'll be hearing them say that being outsold is a good thing, and that they don't want a lot of people to buy the system, nor do they want high quality of exclusives or profit, those are just so last generation.

Actually, the more this goes on, the more I can compare it to Sega Saturn.  Genesis was a huge hit(and there were two failed add-ons in between, and a failed handheld), but when they moved on to Saturn, it was too expensive, wasn't that much better than the competition, if it was better at all, suffered from management may have been well seasoned, but just lost touch with the industry, and everyone thought it would catch up, meanwhile the most unlikely contender(Sony) kept growing and became number one.  Ultimately, high brow exclusives were supposed to grace the title, but many didn't make it over seas due to limited funds and those that did, like NiGHTs and Virtua Fighter just didn't draw a diverse enough crowd.  Sega messed up and Sony took advantage of it, and quickly replaced them as Nintendo's largest competition and even Nintendo took a dive to become Sony's competition after making several huge mistakes with the N64.

Let's look at Sony.  They had two major hits with the PS1 and PS2...had one failure in the PSX in Japan, and haven't been gaining too much with the PSP.  Meanwhile, it's more expensive then the competition, is't that much better than the Xbox 360 technically, if it is at all, and it seems that gamers find the Wii fun enough to justify the purchase.  Their PR department has clearly lost touch with gamers, and all logic apparently too.  Everyone's expecting it to gain steam, but everyone who says that has no plans on buying it until better games come out.  The only missing factor will be if said games don't get released for the system or are also on the cheaper competition.  MGS 4's great, Final Fantasy XIII's great, but like NiGHTS, Sega Rally, and Virtua Fighter, they just aren't diverse enough to make the system number one.  Also, PS3 has a litany of features useless to the vast majority of consumers like 1080p HD and Blu Ray.
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #81 on: February 28, 2007 »

Fantastic points there JA. I don't know why the hell I would want a "digital hub". I haven't seen a single half decent movie hit Blu Ray yet, and the only one which is coming up and looks remotely appealing is Casino Royale. But wait, the special features are identical to the ones on the standard DVD (glad to see that extra space has been used valuably...)

Blu Ray is sure to go the way of UMD movies, right?

And another day, another dose of bad news for the PR office to get wood from (seriously, I think they do): http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2007/02/27/ps3-online-background-downloading-the-sony-way/
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Offline se37

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« #82 on: February 28, 2007 »

I don't think Blueray will go the way of the UMD, however... it won't replace DVD's anytime soon... it will be another 10 years before DVD's are replaced by Blueray. Blueray is in fact going to win the HD format, in fact... Sony is going to release a $600 dollar Blue-Ray Player which destory's the whole purpose of the PS3. The PS3 did help with the format wars... with the cost of being in last place
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #83 on: February 28, 2007 »

I don't think Blueray will go the way of the UMD,
Because? They're both Sony formats with pretty sucky support so far. Check out this week's hot new releases...
however... it won't replace DVD's anytime soon...
Because? Well, actually I can cover that one because Blu Ray players are insanely expensive now while DVD players come with most PCs and laptops at the very least now. And standalone players are £50 tops.
it will be another 10 years before DVD's are replaced by Blueray.
If Blu Ray is the successful HD format.
Blueray is in fact going to win the HD format,
Because?
in fact... Sony is going to release a $600 dollar Blue-Ray Player which destory's the whole purpose of the PS3.
How does this help? HD DVD players are $500ish to the best of my knowledge. The XBox add-on is £250ish. Also, the PS3 costs $600, right? The same as one of these new standalone players... Sony have to be losing money on the PS3 for sure on this evidence alone.
The PS3 did help with the format wars... with the cost of being in last place
Has it helped? IMO it's just one of two entries which started this pretty unnecessary war...

Edit: The Anonymous Source strikes again!
Seriously, post yourself. If I want to look like a dirty PS3 bashing Nintendo fanboy I will

I'm kidding. I'm just not a fan of posts which don't have a supply of facts, and just a bunch of statements thrown at me- as was the case with se37's post. Blu Ray will win, but why...?

Well, here we go. I won't say I stand corrected yet. I'm still not that impressed with what Sony have brought out on Blu Ray thus far, but if they have 7 out of the 8 big studios standing up for the format, there may be hope...

Here's the source folks for all your "Blu Ray FTW" needs: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6257
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Offline Witless

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« #84 on: February 28, 2007 »

All you need to do is support porn. That's basically an instawin.
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Offline Mikazukinoyaiba

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« #85 on: February 28, 2007 »

All you need to do is support porn. That's basically an instawin.
It's not necessarily an instant win but it does help.
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Offline Witless

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« #86 on: February 28, 2007 »

All you need to do is support porn. That's basically an instawin.
It's not necessarily an instant win but it does help.
That's basically the sole reason why VHS won from Betamax.
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Offline Bidet to you sir

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« #87 on: February 28, 2007 »

All you need to do is support porn. That's basically an instawin.
Somebody's watched piraaates.
First and only HD format porn.
Yeah blu-ray might win a lot of people over if pornography chooses them.
Generally they choose the cheapest medium though.
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #88 on: February 28, 2007 »

Generally they choose the cheapest medium though.
Which sounds a lot like the existing standard DVD medium, doncha think? Seriously, how much more detail do we need in porn that HD DVD or Blu Ray could provide? And would there really be a point in bonus features- one of the key bonuses of all that disk space?

"Making Of..." documentaries? Don't care how it was made, I just want to see her laid.
Director's commentaries? Why listen to some perverted old fruit when you can hear a tasty bimbo screaming for more hot cock?
Trailers - Good for a quick blast I guess, but hardly worth including otherwise.

Both HD DVD and Blu Ray have a long way to go to convincing me that the existing medium needs replacing. And not just for porn.  :
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Offline Witless

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« #89 on: February 28, 2007 »

All you need to do is support porn. That's basically an instawin.
Somebody's watched piraaates.
Actually, I haven't. But I see you have appearantly?

Zim watched piiraaates =P

how much more detail do we need in porn that HD DVD or Blu Ray could provide
Not neccesarily detail, but storage space.

A Blu-Ray disc can hold up to 25 to 50 GB of movie content, or porn. An HD-DVD can hold up to 15 GB of movie content, or porn.
So the real question really is: Do we want 2 discs of porn or just 1?

I'd hate to switch discs during a scene though, that'd suck.


Just kidding ofcourse, heh.
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Offline JordAnime

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« #90 on: February 28, 2007 »

By the time HD TVs become wide spread enough, someone will have come up with a disc that can hold five times what  a BluRay Disc can and Hard Drives will hold 20 Terabytes of space.  BluRay and HDDVD will go the way of BetaMax, Laser Disc, MiniDisc, and so on.
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Offline Fluesopp

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« #91 on: February 28, 2007 »

nope.. just.... nope..
The only reason for me to buy ps3 is final fantasy....
And it's not enough...
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Offline se37

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« #92 on: February 28, 2007 »

I'm kidding. I'm just not a fan of posts which don't have a supply of facts, and just a bunch of statements thrown at me- as was the case with se37's post. Blu Ray will win, but why...?

Sorry, I didn't have enough time to post my sources... I had to quicky get off the PC I was using at the time.
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Offline Sheldon Cooper PhD

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« #93 on: February 28, 2007 »

 Take a look at what 1 up calls their Top 10 most aticipated games of the year.


So far it has Wii, PS3 and the 360.
Look at the Wii titles  and none are multi platform.
Look at 360 and 2 are multi.
PS3 however 5 are multi, and almost none are made by Sony themselves.
Pity....

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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #94 on: March 01, 2007 »

And the best part about the Wii list? Creativity (Cooking Mama) and diversity (compare that to No More Heroes), as well as new adaptations of old favourites (Resi Evil, FF) and the classic Nintendo (Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros).

I wouldn't call that the definitive Top 10 for any of the main consoles, there's a lot more to come for all, and I believe a Top 10 of Wii titles without the likes of Mario and Samus is easily achievable.

IMO, Nintendo appears to be opening up a whole new path for developers that isn't possible on the other two. It may be nothing more than a GC with a nifty new control system, but maybe developers are happy enough to be experimenting with new ideas on a different format, rather than blow a bundle on developing for the high graphics, high tech systems. The Wii is their guinea pig...
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Offline Sheldon Cooper PhD

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« #95 on: March 01, 2007 »

Check it out now:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/769/769163p1.html

Supposedly Sony doesnt give a damn about 3rd party exclusives anymore and will still have thousands of games available to be backward compatible as well......sad...
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #96 on: March 01, 2007 »

Back to the BC issue, and good news from Sony? I wasn't prepared for this one...

Sony have gone back on their cry of "limited PS2 backwards compatibility", and Sir Phil of Harrison has provided the figure of 1000 fully playable titles come European launch day.

The Guardian writer has it summed up quite nicely though, by saying"It feels like a number plucked out of the air - though of course Phil Harrison will have solid data to back it up."

Why?
1- "We expect the list to encompass over 1000 titles..." The man still has his PR hat on. Expect, estimate, imagine: All fantastic words to stick in a sentence when you ain't quite sure.
2- Why was this number not in their previous statement. All they said was limited BC. Now we have 50%?
3- Have they honestly tested 1,000 games...?

Also of note, 1,000 games is only 50% of the PS2 back catalogue, and there's no guarantee all of these titles will be the top notch ones you expect. Let's not forget the X Box 360/ Barbie Horse Adventures saga...

Discuss away...

EDIT: Looks like there may be a PR mole for Sony at IGN. 1,000 has become "Thousands"...

EDIT 2: And now they have blackballed Kotaku for publishing what is little more than a rumour. Sony are not making it easy on themselves to get good publicity out. This proves it. As an aspiring journalist I stand by Kotaku for not backing down.

Sony have shot themselves in the foot with this one. "What do you want Kotaku? Our support or your integrity as a trusted source for the fanbase?" Kotaku made the right decision by sticking to their guns and going down the route of honest journalism.

(And yes I did remove my apology for badmouthing Sony. This latest act on their part just shows them in a darker light. Good luck sticking up for Sony with this one, folks)
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Offline Witless

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« #97 on: March 02, 2007 »

Does anyone remember Phil Harrison state that rumble is so last-gen and that the PS3 will focus on next-gen?

read this

Sony is really stretching it's arms to save it's ass. Seriously. Pathetic.
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #98 on: March 02, 2007 »

Fixed link for Witless...

And why does this not surprise me? In a round about way you could say they're listening to what the gamers want, but its gonna take a lot more than a little rumble to improve their situation.
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Offline swdarin

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« #99 on: March 02, 2007 »

I feel like I'm leaning towards to buying an Xbox 360.  I doubt I may be able to afford a PS3 sooner or later.
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