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Offline Assault on Mind

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« #100 on: July 10, 2007 »

Uchi saying your not a fanboy is a lie you attack anyone who says the PS3 is a piece of shit and it really is a piece of shit.

P.S.
You are very long winded you don't have to adress every single word.
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Offline GAMEFREAK

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« #101 on: July 10, 2007 »

AoM you call Uchiha a fanboy but you prove yourself to be a fanboy.  Only a Nintendo of Microsoft fanboy would come in here and bash the PS3 out of context like you did.  I think everyone attacking Uchiha by calling him a fanboy too is ridiculous as well for we all know that he supports all three companies by owning their consoles.  He is the only one protecting the PS3 really as well and even though I side with Uchiha pretty much on everything that has been said, I don't support Sony.  I don't hate them but I don't support them.
So the bottom line is just put some more thought in our posts.  I'd rather read a page long then two rather stupid sentences.
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Offline Assault on Mind

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« #102 on: July 10, 2007 »

Damn straight I'm a fanboy of those two!

I once was of all 3 but that was a long time ago...
I don't hate Sony entirely because I loved my PS2 for the short time I had it and I still play a PS2 every day. I hate the PS3 and arrogance.

Of course that would mean I hate myself too.
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Offline FDLink

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« #103 on: July 10, 2007 »

This $100 price cut is a step in the right direction... but I still won't be forking that much over anytime soon for a PS3. I still need to have confirmed to me that FFXIII and MGS4 are guaranteed exclusives.
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Offline JordAnime

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« #104 on: July 10, 2007 »

Quote from: Uchiha Madara
There's one important distinction between Sony executives and myself Jord.  Sony executives are idiots who want you to buy the system now and then wait until you're 80 for games, as the system has a lot of potential down the line. Key here is that they want your money NOW.  My stance is that people should keep the PS3 in mind.

Okay, so you agree that the PlayStation 3 isn't worth it right now but might be down the line when better games come out?  Well you certianly had no trouble tooting it as being the best deal out there not too long ago.  But I'll be sure to hold you to that one if this debate continues and should it resurface.

The PS3 has so much potential to be one of the greatests systems ever made.

Uh?  I'm not seeing it, it's still too expensive, the exclusives seem okay, but it's not of the PlayStation 2 or PlayStation caliber, and it's nothing really all that new.  Besides a clearer picture it's essentially the same old stuff, which is why I don't think it can ever have that distinction.  At this rate, it's lucky if it isn't the biggest flop of all time.

For all we know the Wii and 360 could be overthrown by PS3 later in life.

"For all we know, this may only be a dream.  We come and go, like a riplle on a stream.  So love me tonight, tomorrow was made for some, tomorrow may never come, at all."

We can argue all day about what will come tommorow, but we should concern ourselves what's happening right now, in the present.  The price cut, while a good thing for consumers who want it, isn't a good omen for Sony or the system.  Sony knows sales are sluggish, price cuts help, but you can only bleed so much money, and right now, Sony isn't in the best position financially; of SCE becomes to great a loss, it'll get severed.  That's more likely than it instantly becoming more popular because of a few exclusives.  To repeat the success of PlayStation and PlayStation 2,

Sony needed a device that's afforable, yields higher profits for developers, and appeals to consumers.  What they made is a machine with more functions than a Swiss Army Knife that's too expensive for your average consume, and too expensive for smaller developers to thrive on.  Since it instantly has so many road blocks for the consumer and the developer, it's killing itself on all ends.  The only thing keeping it afloat is the Sony name, and if Atari and Sega are any indication of how far a name can get you, Sony needs to act fast.

I'm not saying it's doom and gloom all the way, but I'm being realistic and not playing on the notion that since it has some potential, that it'll find the way.  It might, I might have to eat my words later, but for now, I think I can be complacent in my prognostication that PS3 will continue to ebb along leaving a trail of lost profits and lost exclusives behind it.

But isn't the Wii also going on potential right now?  In a lot of ways, yes, but the potential for success is greater on the Wii by the looks of things now.  The price is right, the good games are coming out, the industry seems to be getting behind it, and more importantly, the consumer is backing it.  Things could go horribly wrong sometime, but for now, you can safely bet Nintendo Wii's going to continue doing well. 
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Offline Korenshei

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« #105 on: July 10, 2007 »

I'd feel like arguing... but that's way too much pre-debate before I visited this thread for me to want to dive into and give my five cents. 

I will say this....

Riiiidge Racer!!!!

 

I might get into this discussion later, but for now I'm too busy.  :
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Offline Shin Illuminated

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« #106 on: July 11, 2007 »

I'd feel like arguing... but that's way too much pre-debate before I visited this thread for me to want to dive into and give my five cents. 

Well, allow me to sum up for you...

It started as a question of whether or not the PS3 is worth the price. Some said yes...alot said no. This caused some people to defend it, and others to attack those who defended it.

Then it was decided that Sony sucks at business. After that reasons why 360 is better.

Accusations of fanboyism abound. Name calling, cursing, y'know...all that fun stuff.

Now most of us have seemingly come to the conclusion that it may not be worth it now, but pending a few price changes and gaurenteed AAA or exclusive titles, it might look good a few years down the road. And that's where we are right now.

I think that about covers it...
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Offline Scott Shelby

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« #107 on: July 11, 2007 »

Okay, so you agree that the PlayStation 3 isn't worth it right now but might be down the line when better games come out?  Well you certianly had no trouble tooting it as being the best deal out there not too long ago.  But I'll be sure to hold you to that one if this debate continues and should it resurface.

Best deal out there? Why are you making things up after the fighting has finally subsided? Okay...Let's look at the very first post I made in this thread. Remember that I examined the systems from a technical (components) and figurative (games, fun value, etc.) standpoint. Here we go:


Price:
PS3-the PS3 is valued around 800-840 dollars, depending on which version you buy:
http://www.playfuls.com/news_06601_PS3s_European_Launch_to_Reignite_the_Battle_of_Gaming_Consoles.html
Overall, it's one of the best deals out there, and certainly is worth the money.

I argued that the PS3 was one of the best deals technically, in terms of production costs and such. The thing is Jord, we weren't talking about technical components (in which case it's still one of the best deals). Look at what you quoted me on:

There's one important distinction between Sony executives and myself Jord.  Sony executives are idiots who want you to buy the system now and then wait until you're 80 for games, as the system has a lot of potential down the line. Key here is that they want your money NOW.  My stance is that people should keep the PS3 in mind.

We were talking about games, and what slim pickings there are. That pushes this into scenario 2: Figurative worth. Now let's see what I actually said there.

360- The 360 Boasts the best library available in the present, as well as a strong line up in the future. At the present time you can pick up Gears of War and Lost Planet. The 360 also has strong multiplatforms that it shares with the PS3, which include R6V and Oblivion. Without a doubt, the strongest feature of the system is its online play, which is superior in every way to the competition. I'm not going to stretch this out any further than I have to- The 360 is currently the best system available. I'm going to buy a 2nd 360 (an elite version) as soon as possible.

See that bolded statement there? That's me calling the 360 (hands down) the best system available (and thus the best deal based on exclusives and such). Notice how I kept good on my promise too. Let's see what I actually said about the PS3:

PS3- The Ps3's heavy hitters right now are Motorstorm and Resistance. The Ps3 also boasts an enormous amount of quality multiplatform games as well. The PS3 also has a wide range of upcoming games as well, including lair, Ratchet and Clank Future:Tools of destruction, Warhawk, Killzone, MGS4, GoW3, FF13, and Heavenly Sword. Some sources say some of these may be out in September (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168749.html). I'm not sure about the exclusivity claims in the link though. I guess I'll wait there. Also recall that HOME and Littlebig planet are two excellent additions to the system. HOME, in particular, beats out any equivalent on another system.

The PS3 boasts incredible high-definition visuals, and has good online play. In my experience with PSN, I've never lagged or been booted from a match (a feat which is pretty remarkable). It's an excellent online service, and will probobly be the 2nd best we'll see this generation. Overall, it's definitely worth the money. Heck, I'm going to buy a 2nd one pretty soon!

I don't see anywhere in there where I said the PS3 was the best deal. All I've said is that it's worth the money. The only confusion you have is due to your own interpretation as to what I said, as is prefaced in this statement:

Okay, so you agree that the PlayStation 3 isn't worth it right now but might be down the line when better games come out?

I never said that the PS3 isn't worth the money. I said that the PS3 isn't worth the money to some people. To use EA's own words against him-
Worth is a subjective thing
If I didn't personally think it was worth it, why would I be looking for a second? It just wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. I'm simply playing upon the idea that an unbiased Nintendo fan (not fanboy)-say, GAMEFREAK- doesn't always see the PS3 as worth it at the moment, and that's perfectly acceptable in his (and other's) case. The reason I'm on my "high horse" as so many people call it, is because of those people who are blatant fanboys and trolls. As of right now, that seems to be almost everyone, save a few people. Their opinions are tainted, and are influencing people who are legitimately on the fence in a negative way. It's annoying and rediculous, but that's neither here nor there.

If you really want my opinion on the system's worth, read what I've stated or ask me again personally. I'll be more than happy to voice my opinion. Just for kicks, I'll reiterate what I've said before-

It doesn't take a whole lot to get me to buy a system. I've been buying consoles/having consoles bought for me just because I want to give everything a try and play all the big name games. The PS3 was immediately worth it to me when I saw Resistance: Fall of Man. I'm pretty sure a few people have seen me rant about Ratchet and Clank before. Insomniac games is my favorite new publisher. When I saw a PS3 game made by them was going to be available at launch, I was sold on the system. My purchasing standards may not meet that of other members, but hey.

Anyways, even after being sold on the system I weighed upcoming exclusives, just to see how much lasting appeal the system would have. I saw games like Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Warhawk, Lair, Killzone 2, MGS4, FFXIII and was estatic. I think what seperates me from most people is that I don't mind waiting at all. I have a Wii and a 360 to keep me busy while I wait.  . It's one of the undeniable perks of having the three systems. When one leg fails, there are two others to support it. I think that may be the reason why people think I couldn't possibly think that it's "worth it".

Other than that, I knew the system would have a revamped online service (which is a notable improvement over the PS2's online), and High Def capabilities. Because I had already had a HD TV in the house (Our house later got a Plasma Screen to accompany the PS3/360 and Wii), it was really an incentive to get the system. I think that's another thing that seperates me from others, and doesn't permit people to understand me- I can benefit from all of the system's features. I'm not naive enough to believe that all people can benefit (as I'm one of the few who has an HD TV) from all the features. Based on my experiences, I really like watching movies in high resolutions, as well as playing games in high settings. That's really why I think the Ps3 is worth it. The experience is all there if you can benefit from it. I can, which is why I issued a resounding "yes" to the question of whether or not the system was worth it.

Hopefully, I've stated my case clearly enough for people as to why I think it's worth it.  . You may disagree with me, but at least people know where I stand on the issue- Because (as Jord's post proved) people have different opinions on the matter.

EDIT: I'll likely not be able to respond to posts from now on. I'm heading out for 3 days. It'll be interesting to see how the thread goes without me. And Korenshei, feel free to catch up and post. It couldn't possibly get any more chaotic than it is presently, so feel free to throw your hat in the ring.
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Offline JordAnime

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« #108 on: July 11, 2007 »

Uchiha, you're rhetoric is tiresome.  You're a spin doctor of the highest order, and for that I commend you.  You can attempt to explain away your missteps with technicalities, but it's sophistry, at best and is therefore moot.  It isn't worth the time to pick it all apart, but I'll say that from what I've read of you not only in this thread.  Just because you feel the 360 is worthy it doesn't mean you feel the PS3 isn't worth it, and that's what you said and you changed it all but a few threads ago.  And I'm sorry, but if games don't make the PS3 worth buying, what does?  BluRay? 

Now on to more important matters, your attitude.

The reason I'm on my "high horse" as so many people call it, is because of those people who are blatant fanboys and trolls. As of right now, that seems to be almost everyone, save a few people.  Their opinions are tainted, and are influencing people who are legitimately on the fence in a negative way. It's annoying and ridiculous, but that's neither here nor there.

Who are you judge?  The hallowed god of all gamers?  That's rather ludicrous to fancy yourself a deity of gamers just because you have spent thousands of dollars on systems and how many hours of your life playing them.  Are all those who don't like Sony not worthy?  Are they illusory fools who can't reach a higher level of gaming existence? 

I'm not going to deny that someone who rampantly, and acerbically decry the PlayStation 3 isn't all that keen--but by arguing with them you're merely stooping to their level, and beyond that, fueling the fire.  You're surrounded by Zelda fans.  What do you expect?  I don't care much for Sony, I don't care much for the PlayStation 3, but I think anyone who knows me would say I'm a pretty zealous gamer.  Am I not a "true gamer" in your divine eyes oh he who owns all systems? 

Seriously, I'm sick of you shoving your pejorative agenda around.  It's downright irritating.  Which is a shame because you're a pretty intelligent, well spoken member.  If you did come down your "high horse" I think you'd be a lot better off here. 

I hate to make this a public spectacle but I think it's the only way the point will get across.  Anyway, if you get this before you leave on your trip, perhaps think about it.  If not, then it'll be waiting for you.  In any event, enjoy your time away.
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Offline hupla

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« #109 on: July 13, 2007 »

Sooo yeah ummmm thiers kinda aperantly not going to be a 60gb model in the USA any more http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-switcheroo-no-more-60gb-playstation-3-in-us-after-july/
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Offline TheHylianLoach

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« #110 on: July 13, 2007 »

Aw damn. My only hope of getting a PS3 crushed.

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Offline Shin Illuminated

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« #111 on: July 13, 2007 »

Sooo yeah ummmm thiers kinda aperantly not going to be a 60gb model in the USA any more http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-switcheroo-no-more-60gb-playstation-3-in-us-after-july/

I called this from the minute they announced a price drop and an 80GB PS3. I knew it was gonna happen.
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #112 on: July 13, 2007 »

Come Christmas, it'll be 80Gb for $499. Just watch...

*coughs* That'll be the next step. Just watch...
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Offline hupla

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« #113 on: July 13, 2007 »

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/#comments


Fun never stops does it?
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Offline Faceless

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« #114 on: July 13, 2007 »

Sooo yeah ummmm thiers kinda aperantly not going to be a 60gb model in the USA any more: Looooong

I called this from the minute they announced a price drop and an 80GB PS3. I knew it was gonna happen.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/

Gah! Beaten to it.
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Offline hupla

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« #115 on: July 13, 2007 »

Sorry faceless beat you to the punch
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Offline Ezlo's Apprentice

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« #116 on: July 13, 2007 »

Well, now you mention it... Kaz confirms 60Gig model production has ceased. It really doesn't stop!

Yes, the report is in German (or a similar sounding language), but luckily Kaz speaks pure English. And 1 minute 45 seconds or so in, he confirms that Sony are no longer producing the 60 Gb model for the US.

Or is this just a case of Sony's left hand not knowing what it's right hand is up to? (Scratching its arse as always)
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Offline TheHylianLoach

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« #117 on: July 13, 2007 »

Wow, looks like Sony's having a tough time.
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Offline GAMEFREAK

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« #118 on: July 13, 2007 »

Could this be Sony's Dreamcast? Maybe now they'll finally go down. 
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Offline Faceless

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« #119 on: July 13, 2007 »

That comparison isn't fair.
Sega were never in a real position of strenght unlike Sony.
I don't think I knew anyone who owned a Saturn...
The PS3 would have to be a megaton flop for it to sink Sony's game division.
The Dreamcast didn't exactly flop... Sega did.
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