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Offline Hyruleansoldier

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« on: April 11, 2007 »

Reporting live from HS mansion in Belgium, Europe, a report of a 10-year-old (my mum's godchild) saying that yesterday she saw, on Cartoon Network, in the afternoon, in between two cartoons, ads for avatars for your mobile, with one explicitly showing, though only for a brief moment, female nudity, and another showing "the sexual act" itself.

I'm not a puritan, but this I find OUTRAGEOUS.

It may be only brief shots, but kids are exposed to them.  And on bloody Cartoon Network for crying out loud!  Not Fox or any even remotely adult-minded channel.  Not in the evening, after 9 or 10, when kids are supposed to be asleep.  No.  In the bloody afternoon.

And it's not just that.  Although most movies rated "Adult" aren't on too early, they very often show teasers at a much earlier hour. And if the movie is sex or nudity-related, it will be in the teasers, thus allowing every 10-or-younger-year-old to see.

And there's those ads themselves...  These days, even the lamest of 'spots about water, cars or cleaning products are sexualised, and have become more explicit than ever.  The sky does seem to be the limit.  But aren't people forgetting that, beside the target group obviously being adults, kids are watching TV as well?  I'm quite appalled.

There's something terribly wrong with this world isn't there?
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« #1 on: April 11, 2007 »

Is sex a shameful act?

Is the female body disgraceful? 

Why, exactly, do you want these things censored?
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« #2 on: April 11, 2007 »

Is sex a shameful act?

Is the female body disgraceful? 

Why, exactly, do you want these things censored?

It's sending the wrong message(s) to kids for crying out loud.  Do you feel that sex should be public?  Do you feel that nudity should become public?  I should hope not.

I don't like it that kids are growing up as fast as they are these days, and among many things, I'm blaming the media.  This is just another example of how kids are confronted with things they shouldn't even be concerned with in the first place.  Let kids be kids for a little while longer why you're at it...
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« #3 on: April 11, 2007 »

I'm with HS, this is outrageous. If people want to se sex they can easealy find it on the internet. But showing this kind of things on a channel that is dedicated to kids is a horrible.

First off, kids are kids, and very young kids might want to imitate these kind of things, and can end up pretty bad. Don't say that never happends because I know a person who has been put out on stuff when she was very young by a fellow kid. That's something that will make a mark for the rest of the life.

Second, this is things that shouldn't concern kids at all. They are kids and let them be that without all of the nudity and so on.

It's not that sex is a shameful act, Fleamo, but showing it to children might be a bad idea.

HS, if I where you, I'd mail Cartoon Network and tell them a thing or two.
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Offline ÜberGamer

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« #4 on: April 11, 2007 »

Honestly I don't believe that it is a bad thing to have kids knowing about sex.  BUT I can see where you are coming from but the way I see it most children don't learn about sex because their parents are scared to teach them about sex.  Also the female body is displayed in a lot of art work so that makes it a figure of beauty.
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« #5 on: April 11, 2007 »

You know,  we've done this to ourselves.  Nudity is just how we are made, and our culture(religion) has made it an issue.  Do we come right out of the womb with clothes on?  No, we come out in our birthday suits.  It shouldn't matter all too much, because it is in their future anyway.  We harbor kids too much.  If we introduced things at an earlier age, then there isn't that much curiosity, and therefore, usually, less problems with it.
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« #6 on: April 11, 2007 »

I'm gonna defend you on this one, HS.  This has gone on far enough.  It was appaling when it was the sex with 6th graders thread, but now its being spread out to children through media.  This is getting ridiculous.  I might just have to watch and see if I may catch the commercial myself.  If I see that this is in fact true of whats being broadcasted on a childrens program then I'm gonna be pissed.  Comlaint note in the makings toward Cartoon Network.  Scratch that, Barrage of notes being set for launch.
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« #7 on: April 11, 2007 »

Sex isn't wrong and telling children that it is will just confuse them. Stop making a big deal about it.
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« #8 on: April 11, 2007 »

I'm with HS, because sex is not a bad thing and parents ahould educate their kids about it. The problem is, that with that kind of add, it's sending a wrong image of what sex is. It also sends a wrong vision of woman being sexual objects. I think it's outrageous that something like that was on a kid's channel.
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« #9 on: April 11, 2007 »

Shouldn't the amount one sees of anything [video games, violence, sex, healthy relationships, dirty language, clean language, commercials] be up to the individual, or if they are not capable of making such a choice, their parents?  How can you decide unilaterally for the world/nation/community that any one thing is unsuitable for any one channel? 
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« #10 on: April 11, 2007 »

Do know a man called Socrates by any chance Fleamo? 
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« #11 on: April 11, 2007 »

.....Did I say anywhere that sex is wrong?  It is what keeps humans on the Earth.  The only thing is you don't need to know what sex is at that age.  Sex was originally only for a married couple to take part in.  Now it's gone crazy-go-nuts beyond reason.  Fun Fact:  Do you know what the single most greatest threat to the Earth is?
Answer: Human Over-Population. 
This is what happens when something gets out of control.  We have a limited amount of space on this Earth.  If we use it up We are screwed.  No other planet so far is capable of supporting human life.  If you look at the Earth before we got to it, it was fine.  Now we're screwing up another way.  We need to control the population rate.  The last thing we need is educating children at age 8 about sex in that direction.  The direction I mean is that it has no down sides.  Thats how it is displayed most of the time.  No downsides what so ever.  That is about as true as pigs sprouting wings and taking off!
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« #12 on: April 11, 2007 »

Well we could always limit ourselves to one child of each gender per family and kill any babies that aren't what follows the rules.
Ex:A couple has two daughters so one dies to make way for a son.
But that would be barbaric reborn.   
So I do have a question.  When you say advertising people "in the act" was it just them.....well having sex or was it something like an advertisement for porn?
If it was porn than that is wrong for two reasons:
It is bloody cartoon net work.  Come on now.
Children only watch that channel.  Little kids of 8 don't need to see that.

If its just sex straight up than I don't think (unless they actually showed what was happening) than it is that bad.  Kids probably didn't know what to think.





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« #13 on: April 11, 2007 »

The only thing is you don't need to know what sex is at that age.
I don't see anything wrong with knowing what it is at any age.

Sex was originally only for a married couple to take part in.
Oh really?  So in the 200,000-year history of homo sapiens, you always had to be married to have sex?  What about the 195,000 years before complex religion first occurred?

Now it's gone crazy-go-nuts beyond reason.  Fun Fact:  Do you know what the single most greatest threat to the Earth is?
Answer: Human Over-Population. 
Ok besides the answer to that question being "yes" or "no," and you using the term "most greatest," that is disputable.  What about an asteroid?  Human population is theoretically manageable, and definitely doesn't threaten the Earth itself. 

That is about as true as pigs sprouting wings and taking off!
Heh well thanks for...that.  Now if you want to control population, if stopping sex is your goal, and you think stopping people from seeing it on TV is going to achieve that goal, what age group do you think has more sex: the preteens or teenagers?  Preteens or 20+?



As for nudity on Cartoon Network: That's just bad advertising.  No one who watches that will be able to buy anything nudity-related.
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« #14 on: April 11, 2007 »

Fleamo, I'm having a hard time trying to argue with you for two reasons.  One, your a moderator and I don't want to get on bad terms with you.  Two, I'm already on bad terms with everyother moderator except maybe TSA, but thats because he's never online when I am....

The only thing is you don't need to know what sex is at that age.
I don't see anything wrong with knowing what it is at any age.


Really, how old might you be?  You cannot treat a child like an adult.  It ruins their childhood and takes the fun out of life.  I wasn't told anything that I know today.  I was taughto believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and I had such a great childhood and turned out wonderful.  I'm a student who gets High Honors, Strait A's in all classes,  and no problems in life.  On the other hand I remember some kids who weren't given a just child hood. 
They were taught those things in life before others.  The one kid turned out to be a bum who gets F's and probably will repeat the 9th grade.  The other, my cousin, was in trouble with the police before and does nothing with his life and he's a Senor in highschool.  No job, no good grades.  Nothing. 


Sex was originally only for a married couple to take part in.
Oh really?  So in the 200,000-year history of homo sapiens, you always had to be married to have sex?  What about the 195,000 years before complex religion first occurred?

You have to start somewhere.  We were technically just animals back then and how do you follow rules that weren't created yet?  That is just a religion statement but thats a standard that I think we all should hope to keep.
Now it's gone crazy-go-nuts beyond reason.  Fun Fact:  Do you know what the single most greatest threat to the Earth is?
Answer: Human Over-Population. 
Ok besides the answer to that question being "yes" or "no," and you using the term "most greatest," that is disputable.  What about an asteroid?  Human population is theoretically manageable, and definitely doesn't threaten the Earth itself. 


Do you think that over-population is new?  It has been here for many a years and we have not just started to manage it.  It's not so simple.  You have under-developed countries all over the world that don't understand principles or negative effects of such things.  You can't simple snap your fingers and say, "No more over-population"  You speak non-sense when you say an asteroid is the single most greatest threat to the Earth.  the atmosphere is ment to break up such object before they collide, and even then it may just wipe out a city or small country.  Not a threat to the world. 


That is about as true as pigs sprouting wings and taking off!
Heh well thanks for...that.  Now if you want to control population, if stopping sex is your goal, and you think stopping people from seeing it on TV is going to achieve that goal, what age group do you think has more sex: the preteens or teenagers?  Preteens or 20+?


My question is why did you use that quote for such a statement?  It is irrelevant to your point and thus useless.  That was a poor choice in word style.  As for your question, I do not know.  Hopefully 20 and up but I can't tell anymore.  The world today is backwards compared to older times.  I never said stopping sex is my goal.  Stopping sex in my generation would be nice but then again you cannot have everything.  I never said either that stopping the media distribution will stop sex in teens all together.  Like I said earlier, your quote of my words does you little justice and makes your poitns useless and false against my own.  That is a choice for them to make.  I have chosen to have sex after marriage, I don't know what my peers will choose though.  Most of my friends will likely do the same, yet others I am uncertain.

As for nudity on Cartoon Network: That's just bad advertising.  No one who watches that will be able to buy anything nudity-related.


No, it's poor taste.  Showing such things to children is absurd.  You have no idea how much media can control the teenage mind.  My friends, the not so bright ones, watched Jack Ass 2 at a party we were at.  They liked it so much that they wanted to do something simular like it.  The one almost cracked his head open on rocks, and the other twisted his ankle going off a jump.  You see what I'm saying?  Media is extremely persuasive.


Fleamo, you did good in this attempt to porve me wrong.  The only mistakes you made were two. 

One, you didn't quote me correctly in your last point which made a difference in the outcome and ending of your statement.
Two, you challenged rebornBattousai to a debate that I know a great deal on, for this is the chapter we are currently doing in Biology.  I also look up my facts to see if they are possible, such as an asteroid.  Not as likely as over-population is.
Long live Battousai and I just took the Axe of Knowledge to your Tree of Stupidity...
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« #15 on: April 12, 2007 »

Quote from: GF
Well we could always limit ourselves to one child of each gender per family and kill any babies that aren't what follows the rules.
Ever hear of China's "One-child Policy?"  It's pretty much the same thing, except that instead of killing babies, you tax the hell outta the families that go over the limit.

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Fleamo, I'm having a hard time trying to argue with you for two reasons.  One, your a moderator and I don't want to get on bad terms with you.
Hey, it's just Fleamo.  Unless you start flaming, he'll probably rather enjoy the discussion.

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You cannot treat a child like an adult.  It ruins their childhood and takes the fun out of life.
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with that one.  Care to prove me wrong?

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I was taughto believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and I had such a great childhood and turned out wonderful.  I'm a student who gets High Honors, Strait A's in all classes,  and no problems in life.  On the other hand I remember some kids who weren't given a just child hood.
They were taught those things in life before others.  The one kid turned out to be a bum who gets F's and probably will repeat the 9th grade.  The other, my cousin, was in trouble with the police before and does nothing with his life and he's a Senor in highschool.  No job, no good grades.  Nothing. 
Sorry, but anecdotal evidence means next to nothing in a debate, and even less so in an online debate.  'S how science and statistics work, I'm afraid.

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Do you think that over-population is new?
Depends on how you define "new."  On the usual time scale, it isn't really, as it's been around, but on the global scale, yes, I'd say it is pretty new.  It is, after all, in the nature of populations to grow exponentially.

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It has been here for many a years and we have not just started to manage it.  It's not so simple.  You have under-developed countries all over the world that don't understand principles or negative effects of such things.  You can't simple snap your fingers and say, "No more over-population"
I don't think that anyone here will disagree with that fact that overpopulation is happening, or that it is a serious issue.  If you want to get into a deeper debate about proposed solutions/results of that, I'm sure it'd make for a hell of an interesting time.

However, if you're trying to say that there is a positive correlation between a child's exposure to explicit material and how many children they have when they get older, thus contributing to overpopulation, then I think you'll have a hell of a time trying to prove your point.

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You speak non-sense when you say an asteroid is the single most greatest threat to the Earth.
It actually makes a good deal of sense if you look at it from the right point of view.  Sure, overpopulation will no doubt cause the death of millions of humans, but that effects primarily humans, and will have little effect on the Earth as a whole.  An asteroid, however, has the potential to seriously alter some landscapes, climates, biomes, or just generally fuck up ecosystems, the water cycle, nitrogen cycle, carbon cycle, etc., thus radically changing the planet as a whole.

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the atmosphere is ment to break up such object before they collide, and even then it may just wipe out a city or small country.  Not a threat to the world.
It's all a matter of scale.  Drop a rock big enough (say, 10 km in diameter, and, hypothetically, you can radically alter the planet for the worst in a very short period of time.

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No, it's poor taste.
"Taste" is extremely relative and objective thing to bring up, and depends heavily on the society in which one is brought up.

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You have no idea how much media can control the teenage mind.
I don't think anyone is going to disagree with the power the media wields.  What is questionable, however, is whether or not the impact of the media is really going to contribute noticeably to overpopulation, or whether or not working to remove this influence will help the situation at all.

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My friends, the not so bright ones, watched Jack Ass 2 at a party we were at.  They liked it so much that they wanted to do something simular like it.  The one almost cracked his head open on rocks, and the other twisted his ankle going off a jump.  You see what I'm saying?  Media is extremely persuasive.
Once again, anecdotal evidence.  Tsk.

The way I see it, the increasing sexuality of modern society is merely a sign of a morphing global culture, and that's something that's bound to happen anyways.  Whether or not this is a sign of increasing immorality in the world is really up to your religious/moral beliefs, so I'm not in any position to say what's concretely right or wrong, but what I will say is: until there is solid evidence that being more open of sexuality towards younger children will increase the global birth rate, or cause an increase in violent crime, or generally lower our standard of living, I don't really have a particular issue with it.  If nothing else, it's a pretty good excuse to force parents to (gasp) actually be parents, rather than letting the media raise their children.

Edit: Also, RB, you should consider using multiple quote tags to separate out your original responses and what you're quoting.  It's much more coherent than that weird underlining thing you've got goin' on.

Just sayin'.
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« #16 on: April 12, 2007 »

Fleamo, I'm having a hard time trying to argue with you for two reasons.  One, your a moderator and I don't want to get on bad terms with you.  Two, I'm already on bad terms with everyother moderator except maybe TSA, but thats because he's never online when I am....
Heh, I wouldn't worry about it.  I'm one of those laissez-faire moderators.  Also, to make me mad, you really, really have to be a douchebag.  It's impossible for me to be mad enough to take moderator action against you just because I don't like you. 

As Chibi said, if you don't break any rules particularly hard, we're good.  I try extra hard to never mention being a moderator in debates, because I know it feels like the mod's abusing their position for personal gain.  It happened to me when I was a regMem*. 

Really, how old might you be?
I'm 18.

You cannot treat a child like an adult.  It ruins their childhood and takes the fun out of life.
Like Chibi said: I disagree. 

I wasn't told anything that I know today.  I was taughto believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and I had such a great childhood and turned out wonderful.  I'm a student who gets High Honors, Strait A's in all classes,  and no problems in life.  On the other hand I remember some kids who weren't given a just child hood. 
I don't know how moral it is to lie to small children.  What psychological damage might be done when they figure out that all those holiday characters and the Tooth Fairy are fake?

They were taught those things in life before others.  The one kid turned out to be a bum who gets F's and probably will repeat the 9th grade.  The other, my cousin, was in trouble with the police before and does nothing with his life and he's a Senor in highschool.  No job, no good grades.  Nothing.
Keeping grades out of this [I don't believe in them...but that's another story], I don't know if there is a correlation there.  It might be another factor influencing both.  That's the problem with anecdotal evidence.

Sex was originally only for a married couple to take part in.
Oh really?  So in the 200,000-year history of homo sapiens, you always had to be married to have sex?  What about the 195,000 years before complex religion first occurred?

You have to start somewhere.  We were technically just animals back then and how do you follow rules that weren't created yet?  That is just a religion statement but thats a standard that I think we all should hope to keep.
We are technically still animals right now.  I don't know what you're getting at with the rules thing.

One, you didn't quote me correctly in your last point which made a difference in the outcome and ending of your statement.
The quote really had nothing to do with the response, so that's pretty weird that it made a difference.

Two, you challenged rebornBattousai to a debate that I know a great deal on, for this is the chapter we are currently doing in Biology.  I also look up my facts to see if they are possible, such as an asteroid.  Not as likely as over-population is.
Good, I like to see people factchecking and knowing what they're talking about.  I do the same, all the time. 

Also, I didn't really "challenge" you at all. 

Long live Battousai and I just took the Axe of Knowledge to your Tree of Stupidity...
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« #17 on: April 12, 2007 »

This thread reminds of a study released a couple of weeks ago. It was conducted in the Nordic countries and was about what young people's (aged 14 to 18) attitudes are towards pornography.

According to the study most of 12 to 14 year-old boys have encountered pornography. Half of adolescents find porn disgusting and girls are more critical towards it. They don't wan't to ban it completely but 68% want more restrictions.

You can read more about the project on this site: http://www.nikk.uio.no/forskning/nikk/pornografisering/index_e.html
There's a link to the study which is a pdf-file and I believe it's in Danish. But if you scroll down to page 58 you'll find an English summary. It really is an interesting read.
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« #18 on: April 13, 2007 »

Man Fleamo, calm down. You seem to forget that we're all born with clothes on and nudity is a vile and disgusting- wait. This just in. We're born naked and nudity is natural? WHAT?!


In the words of Jean-Claude Van Damme: "Calm. Thefuck down." Guess what. If you're a young girl, you can just take your clothes off and BAM! Naked chick right there.


And to go from a religious standpoint, God knew that Adam and Eve had disobeyed his direct order because they were clothed. They only clothed themselves because they were ashamed. Their sin brought shame to their eyes and hearts, and they clothed themselves. So if you're a by-the-book Christian, clothing should be a bad thing.

Or is that one of those items where you've picked and chosen for that to not count?
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« #19 on: April 13, 2007 »

clearly the issue at hand elopes many of you. It's not about teaching children that nakedness and sex is a bad thing, it's the fact that sex is sold to children - thus fueling the continuity of destroyed body image.
Last summer at the beach, there were girls under the age of five with thongs and bikini tops. That should not be right to anyone, regardless of puritanism.

Children should be children, pushing them off in any direction is going to destroy/damage a lot of things in terms of self-confidence and body image.

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