World's First Museum Based Entirely On Lies

[Fleamo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2090664,00.html

The world's first creationist museum, which tells visitors the Earth is only about 6,000 years old, has opened its doors in the American midwest.

The Creation Museum claims dinosaurs such as Tyrannosaurus rex lived alongside ancient civilisations but were strictly vegetarian before the Fall of Man and that the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood.

Sorry if I sound a bit biased but while I support their right to say these things, I reject them lying to children.

[Korenshei]

Ah, bigotry. I love when people say there is no proof of evolution when there is proof of life many life-forms from millions of years ago. Can someone say 'Pangea'?

[Adam]

Eh, I'ma side with Voltaire on this one.  Let them believe what they want.  Let people pay to hear what they believe if they want.  I figure the only children that'll end up visiting the museum on the ones who's parents are already feeding them this sort of point of view, so there's really no harm to it.  Just so long as we keep the (hypothetical?) school field trips to minimum (aka "none").

[JordAnime]

Colbert would have something to say about this.

And it would open in, of all places, Kentucky.  Oh well, their chicken's still finger lickin good.

[Cap'n Keeta]

Colbert would have something to say about this.

Hopefully Richard Dawkins will visit it if he's making another documentary. That would be interesting.

Still, it's a little disturbing that they are presenting creation theory as scientific fact. It reminds me of something I saw a while ago on GodTube (the hardcore Christian equivalent of youtube which i visited out of curiosity) - a 'scientist' presenting 'definite' evidence that evolutionary theory is false. It was all so flimsy, an eighth grader could pick it apart.

[Hyruleansoldier]

Still gives the the shivers, this.

Sure, ignorance is bliss and knowledge is power --- and power is often wielded by the wrong people --- but that doesn't mean that entire populations should remain oblivious to that beautiful thing called science, and a little more REALISTIC view on the world --- where everything comes from and how everything works.

Ingorance is only bliss insofar as it is not synonymous with indoctrination and false beliefs.

[LexLionHart]

In theory, Christianity should find its scientific basis in logical conclusions, not illogical leaps.
As such, this fails at being either theory or the views of Christianity on the whole.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

"Tyrannosaurus rex lived alongside ancient civilisations but were strictly vegetarian"

...to which I reply "Bollocks" and shake my head in a bemused fashion. Honestly, how does anyone buy this bullcrap? Claiming the fossils are lies is a mad enough leap, but to try and suggest that a bloody thirsty carnivore like T-Rex would rather have a tasty green salad is insanity.

$27million wasted. Makes ya wish for another nonsensical war...

[Haru to Ashura]

I'd just like to clarify, for fairness sake, that these people's claims are NOT, in any way, the mainstream ideas of Creationism.  I'm pretty damn sure that the Average creationist doesn't believe in semi-modern vegetarian dinosaurs.  >_>;  The people who run this museum are properly off their knocker red-necked religious coots, and they're from the midwest, so should we expect any less?

[Assault on Mind]

I'm from the midwest and I beleive in God. It also happens to be in the state below mine. I'm not gonna lie Kentucky is fucked up. These people are probably insane. This stuff only seems to happen in America. But hey science can't explain everything.

[JordAnime]

It can explain the grand canyon, the geological age of the earth, and that eating habits of a T-Rex, as far as I can tell, this museum simply can't.  This museum operates on the idea that the Bible is 100% true, everything in it is the word of truth, and therefore, anything that goes against it must be incorrect.  It's fine to have faith, but at the same time, if all you have is blind faith, you're going to walk off a cliff one day.   

[Hyruleansoldier]

Aye.  The Bible is more like a... guideline.  A friend of mine described it as "the best and most popular piece of fiction ever written."  Offended by that?  Take a number.

Honestly though, I have no feuds with people who believe - in fact I think it can be a good thing.  But just not when you are any type of extremist which has to deal in absolutes in order to be able to hold on to something.  That's just sad.

And that's why I opt for a pluralistic view on relgion and beliefs.  Deep down most religions have similar grounds and values, and it's up to each person to decide which they are willing to embrace - live by what you believe in most.  The time of the Great Stories are over - no one has The Absolute Truth in store.  Otherwise one religion would be better than the other, and the other one entirely wrong, whereas they all have their unique origins and respectable beliefs and values.

I rest my case.

[Shin Illuminated]

The whole "world is 6,000 yrs. old" thing is a bit of a misconception. the world is in fact billions of years old, but...recorded civilization is only around 6,000 years old. All this included with pre and post flood era. It was also argued at one point where that Noah did in fact have dinosaurs on his ark. And that after the flood the climate changed and they were unable to survive. But I find that completely ridiculous about the dinosaur thing though. It sounds completely made up and has no grounds of proof what so ever.

But mostly, many people confuse the age of the earth with the age of civilization. they are indeed two different things. There are also many different theories about what inhabited earth before such things as civilization. All argued within the religious sects.

[Fleamo]

But mostly, many people confuse the age of the earth with the age of civilization. they are indeed two different things. There are also many different theories about what inhabited earth before such things as civilization. All argued within the religious sects.

The Bible lists the first few days, then Adam and Eve created, then a geneology.  Following that list, including people like Noah living hundreds of years, entirely literally, the Earth is just a few thousand years old.  If you believe in an all-inclusive, entirely literal, entirely truthful Bible, you believe the Earth is 6,000ish years old.

[Assault on Mind]

So then what created reality?

[Hyruleansoldier]

How do "these people" deal with the scientific statement that earth formed around 4.57 billion years ago, then?

... And as I said before, I don't think ours is still the time to be believing in the Great Stories (or fairy tales, for that matter).

Taking the Bible as fact would also mean that 1) Jesus really did walk on water, 2) healed the cripple and blind, 3) was the child of Mary and the Holy Spirit - with Mary not having "done the deed" with her husband, Joseph, and so on...

[Korenshei]

So then what created reality?

I don't quite think anyone here is saying christianity is wrong, but I think it's stupid for christains to think they are right, which means they are saying every other religion is wrong. So, when someone from say, Hinduism comes along, and they say that they believe their religion is right, christians are going to say well then what is right? The fact is, none of us have a damn clue. There is no way to proove how any religion is right or wrong, yet, I must especially say this for christians, because they will show you their "proof" anytime. I personally think half the religions on this planet are either bigoted, hypocritical, hateful, violent, or maybe all of the above for a couple. But I can't proove anything about existence, just as an evangilist can't (or at least shouldn't) pull something out of thier ass about proof of Jesus, although they do.

Science is above religion in that respect, it doesen't have it's mindset of existence, and anything is open for interpretation, research, scrutiny or endorsement.

[Fleamo]

So then what created reality?

That's not really the question here.  I'm fine with God creating the Universe.  It's perfectly possible.  What isn't possible is T-rex being a vegetarian or the Earth being created in 7 literal days.  Or the Earth being 6000 years old.

[Assault on Mind]

I know that hadn't to do anything with what is being discussed here but it was leading up to my point. You know what screw my point because you'll just disagree with me and I don't have the patience for this kind of thing.

[Plazmataz]

I've been Christian all my life. I do believe in creation.

I've been a nerd all my life. I do believe in a multi-billion-year-old-earth, and also 100% carnivorous Tyrannasaurus...es (?)

Anyway, I've spent a good deal of time having an open mind to hardcore creationists (see first post ^^), my best friend being one of them. I've tried to see both sides of the issue while reading Genesis. Every time I do read it, thinking that perhaps I missed something last time, I come to the same conclusion: this book holds no reason at all that I shouldn't believe in an elderly planet, or even evolution. As far as I'm concerned, they mix beautifully.

I. God created the heavens and the earth in one day.
Genesis says, quite specifically, that the "heavens and the earth" (I assume this refers to the creation of the universe out of nothing) were created in one day (the rest came in the ensuing five days, then he rested from the seventh). In a lot of the bible, it is clear that the author (God, through a human) is not being literal. Even Baptists can agree with that. So why should we say that Genesis, as opposed to much of the rest of the bible, is devoid of metaphors? Exactly, we shouldn't. I don't see why this can't be accepted metaphorically. What reason would the bible have to contradict every single piece of physical evidence that there is?

II. Creation, and the Big Bang.
I know a lot of Christians who try to convince me that the BB theory is garbage. They think I'm a pagan for subscribing to both Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. They're pretty sure I'm going to hell. I tell you, as before, that there is no reason why these two topics can't mix. There's no biblical support for that at all. God is all-powerful, yes? Then why is he incapable of causing a Big Bang?

III. Evolution.
You know the drill by now. What's to keep God from creating man through a process of evolution? I've never seen anything from the bible that tells me that evolution is out of the question.

So, now that that's over with, I'd like to say I resent what these people are doing. I do not affiliate with them in any way, and I think that it's people like them who give Christians a bad name and make society think so poorly of them.