The ending of Twilight Princess

[YouDownWithOoT]

Hi Im new here and dont know the story behind the legend of zelda that well. Ive only played Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. So I have some questions I hope someone could answer.

Okay so first Ive read that each Zelda game has had different incarnations of Link and Zelda. But has it always been the same Ganondorf in each game since the Triforce of Power never lets him die?

And

At the end of Twilight Princess when the triforce of power fades off of Ganondorf's hand does this mean the end of Ganondorf for good? Since it's gone and he died does that mean the series will move on to another villain or will he be reincarnated like the other characters.

Thanks for help.

[Plazmataz]

Ganondorf will be back (much to the displeasure of many fans), don't you worry.

And the Links and Zeldas aren't all unique. For instance, OoT and MM are the same Link.

[Korenshei]

I hate to say it, but you're not the first one to bring these topics up. Look for them, they're here somewhere, yet I'm too lazy to give you a link.

Also... Yeah, Plasma may be right, but it looks as if Nintendo is going in a much different direction with the true Zelda Wii. They might actually listen to fans like us and do something... original, with no Ganondorf, or at least no Ganondorf as a main villian.

Finally:

Hi! Care on making an introduction thread in the instruction manual? So we can get to know you.  

[Plazmataz]

Hi! Care on making an introduction thread in the instruction manual? So we can get to know you.

Unless, of course, he plans on doing as I did. Like I always say, introduction threads are overrated.

So, YDWO, welcome (forgot to say that earlier).

[YouDownWithOoT]

Thanks for the information and sorry I didnt search first. Oh and Im Jerry I just made another thread in the introduction part.

[Shin Illuminated]

Also... Yeah, Plasma may be right, but it looks as if Nintendo is going in a much different direction with the true Zelda Wii. They might actually listen to fans like us and do something... original, with no Ganondorf, or at least no Ganondorf as a main villian.

Do you have any...proof of said statements? You sound way too ahead of your time there.

[Korenshei]

That's my opinion if you didn't notice... a hypothetical. It was based on Shiggy and Aonuma's speech at GDC, and a few other interviews. Besisdes, nowhere in there did I say 'they will' or 'Nintendo will'.

[Hyruleansoldier]

At the end of Twilight Princess when the triforce of power fades off of Ganondorf's hand does this mean the end of Ganondorf for good? Since it's gone and he died does that mean the series will move on to another villain or will he be reincarnated like the other characters.

Thanks for help.

Oh boy, do you believe in the Hero (Link), Zelda and Ganondorf reincarnating?  What's wrong with them just having offspring (not Ganondorf obviously)?

And there's only one Ganondorf (even if you believe in a split timeline - he's the same person only at a different point in time - let's not go there here).  When he dies, he eventually gets resurrected.  Same soul, same guy.

When a new Link or Zelda enters the stage in a new Zelda game, they're not the same souls.  They're descendants of the original Hero and Princess.


And as for the ending: I don't believe Ganondorf will ever truly be rid of this world.  They even managed to resurrect (part of) him in the Oracles, using the three flames and some magic, and in AoL it is made clear that they only need the blood of the Hero to resurrect him.  So that makes him kinda invincible in my eyes.

[Plazmataz]

I'd like to see how they get back from being turned to stone at the bottom of the ocean with the MS stuck in his forehead.

[Hyruleansoldier]

It's not completely impossible, just highly unlikely.

I was talking about TP Ganondorf.  TWW Ganondorf's situation seemed pretty bad so I'll hope PH and any other future Zelda's after that will be devoid of Ganondorf.

[Cain]

Hmm... I don't think that will be too many games. It seems to me the series is dying. It's passed its prime and is in decline. (A rhyme... unintentional, and yet still sweet...) Twilight Princess dissapointed me big time. Just didn't feel right, and the story really sucked at the end. So, I think that the series is going down, but I also think that Ganondorf will hang on to the end. C'mon, he's already stayed alive through impossible circumstances. The only thing that can kill him for good is a discontinuation of the series.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

TP's ending stunk. Left giant questions regarding what happened to Ganondorf and I cannot forgive Nintendo for that. Storytelling might come second to gameplay, but let's be honest it is a pretty freaking hefty detail to leave out. One minute Ganny's standing on the hill with the MS in his gut, the next thing we know Link has the returned the MS to its pedestal. What the Hell happened in between?

The fading of the ToP might mean he's gone for good but it's unlikely. I care more about his body than his spirit right about now...

[Shin Illuminated]

Oh great, here we go.

TP bashing thread no. 832.

get over it people...

[Hyruleansoldier]

Actually, it's no. 833, and if you're not willing to contribute...


... It's a newb's opening thread.  Let's not strike it down too quickly...

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

This topic's here to discuss the ending of Twilight Princess, specifically what happens to Ganondorf and any future incarnations. The answer: We haven't got a ruddy clue because the TP storytelling sucked, especially in its conclusion.

We don't know what happened to Ganondorf after Link dealt the final blow, and it's hard to ignore that and be all positive.

[Rew]

Oh great, here we go.

TP bashing thread no. 832.

get over it people...

All too true. It's almost as if there was no point to EA starting that TP bashing thread because every thread eventually goes in that direction.

But back to EA, is it really necessary for Nintendo to explain every detail of what happens in a storyline? Is there not a sense in which less is more? Perhaps by leaving Ganondorf's fate open, it enables gamers like us to speculate and use our imagination some (a lot like the timeline theories everyone's so fond of posting about). So I put it in the same department as timelines.

I think the real reason why possibly EA and certainly others who want Ganon excised from the series might be upset with TP's ending is that they wanted definitive proof that Ganondorf was destroyed for good (a la WW), that he would never come back, and so that he won't appear in the series anymore. There are many who want assurance that Ganon(dorf) will no longer be the main villain (after only a single bad appearance in all honesty) so that the Zelda franchise can metamorph along the path of a MM-type trajectory from here on out. When that assurance was not offered in TP, it suddenly becomes a sucky ending.

I just don't think it's quite going to work that way. There's nothing wrong with open-endedness if you're open to the possibility that Ganon's next appearance (it doesn't have to be soon of course and probably shouldn't be for another couple games) could be as epic as it was in OoT and WW.

[Shin Illuminated]

Exactly. Basing the entire series on one game that most people found not too interesting is a bit unfair. Its still just one game. Now, should something like this happen in the next big console Zelda game, then we might all have something to worry about. Until then, we need to just all sit back, relax, and see what happens next. I think too many people were way too quick to write the series eulogy after this one. (TSA being one of the first offenders...sorry man, but its kinda true)

So just calm down. Theres just not enough damnable evidence yet.

But then, I come from the school of thought where we thought TP was just fine. Its a small number...but we still try.

[LexLionHart]

But back to EA, is it really necessary for Nintendo to explain every detail of what happens in a storyline?

When Nintendo's storylines are notorious for being painfully underdeveloped?

Yeah, pretty much.

[Korenshei]

I'm not sure it's a totally bad thing to see Ganondorf again, but it just shouldn't be in the way we keep seeing him. Maybe if we saw him as an inferior pawn for once, and not being the final boss (not like what Zant was, we don't have to think for most of the game he's the big baddie). He can be a big baddie, but one that knows he shouldn't be involved because this new baddie is just too damn strong to be around.

He could also be a baddie who challenges this new evil being, and gets defeated, big time.

He could also end up being a minion of the new evil being.

If they did once again make him the main villain, which they likely will, they should make it no where near the same that it's been for the last bunch of games.

[Rew]

But back to EA, is it really necessary for Nintendo to explain every detail of what happens in a storyline?

When Nintendo's storylines are notorious for being painfully underdeveloped?

Yeah, pretty much.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Does spelling out every detail and holding the player's hand = developed storyline? Help me out here.

EDIT: I rather like your idea, Korenshei, though I'm sure I'll be alone. I once suggested that very thing and was immediately shot down by everyone and their mother. Apparently, because Ganon possesses the Triforce of Power generally, it would be disastrous for the whole series if he ended up being someone else's pawn. And yet they want him removed altogether. Doesn't make sense to me.  :

I for one would be in favor of a game (not immediately, but after two or three games without him) where Ganon(dorf) returns--but this time he's the main villain all along, and we know that from the get-go. This was how it was in LoZ, OoT, and WW (also LttP to a smaller extent)--incidentally, these were also Ganon's peak performances as well. His more "surprise" appearances (e.g. Oracles, FSA, TP) even I'll admit just don't work as well.