Hyruleansoldier
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« #20 on: July 22, 2007 » |
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Depending on how you interpret the ending of OoT the Song of Storms gives some strong evidence for a linear timeline that includes the events of both Adult and Child timelines.
But you'll have to ignore that the creators have said without a doubt that the timeline is split.
... HAHAHA. Somehow I find it strange no one (EA?) has replied to this yet. Possibly because he/they wouldn't like to go all flamy on your ass. ... I'll try not to, though you should realise the Song of Storms is bogus as evidence for anything. It's nothing more than a gameplay ploy to make you go back in time and actually play it. The whole thing is a damn time paradox, which can simply not occur in ANY universe, regardless if you believe in a single or split timeline. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy the makers have put in there to mess with you - and to coax you into going back in time and fulfill the "prophecy" of the Windmill dude. That's all there is to say about that. Kthxbye!  |
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TZM
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« #21 on: July 22, 2007 » |
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what gets me is when i first played it, I asumed it could ahve been someone else, and even then, as time paradox's go, it could easily have happend that he remembered link doing it even though you hadnt yet...the past is still the past.
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Grimmyv
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« #22 on: July 23, 2007 » |
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I guess it shows that you can't use science to explain what happens in a fantasy game. There's plenty of theories about "many worlds" and possible time travel out there in the real (non-zelda) world, but Zelda works like this:
The timeline is split because the creators say it is, until it's retconned into more than just one split or put back into a single timeline. Like HS said it's all gameplay mechanics, the story is secondary. If a new game can referrence an older game then they'll try to work it into the story, no matter what it does to any potential timeline.
Oh, and I was just trying to play devil's advocate as far as mentioning the song of storms. That article over there on Zelda Legends was well written and original, but as you have pointed out it too has flaws.
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SuperZeldaWorld
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« #23 on: July 27, 2007 » |
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Can someone please explain easter eggs to me?
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Ezlo's Apprentice
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« #24 on: July 28, 2007 » |
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Can someone please explain easter eggs to me?
Bonus features. Inserted into video games (DVDs, etc are covered too) as something special for longtime fans. One example would be the Legend of the Fairy in TWW which gives fans of Tingle a mildly amusing fictional history. Another would be the Mario portraits in Hyrule Castle in OoT. And while some say it has significance I always thought the TMC reference to Triumph Forks was just a casual throwback to TWW. |
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LexLionHart
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« #25 on: July 29, 2007 » |
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Actually, the same time paradox happens in a ton of fictional universes.
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Fairy penguin
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« #26 on: August 02, 2007 » |
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Hey Lex, I got a way to get rid of your Song of Storms reason! How do ya like that?
Link went back to before he talked to Zelda, but after the Deku Tree. What do ya got to say to that? 8)
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Grimmyv
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« #27 on: August 02, 2007 » |
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actually that's the only way the child timeline can begin. Otherwise if Link comes back to any moment after he's already pulled the MS then Ganon would be in the SR and not stand trial before the Sages as seen in TP. Link must come back to the moment of when he first met Zelda for TP to work.
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LexLionHart
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« #28 on: August 02, 2007 » |
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Grimmyv: Where did Ganon get the Triforce, if he didn't get into the Sacred Realm?
Fairy penguin: Going back further in time wouldn't delete the paradox, it would simply add to it.
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Fairy penguin
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« #29 on: August 02, 2007 » |
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Thats why we have the Split Timeline.
Ganon seemed to find it within himself in TP at the exicution scene.
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LexLionHart
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« #30 on: August 02, 2007 » |
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Obviously.
How did he get it?
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Fairy penguin
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« #31 on: August 03, 2007 » |
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I don't know, probably because of his nature and lust for power. Do you know how he got it?
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LexLionHart
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« #32 on: August 03, 2007 » |
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I don't know, probably because of his nature and lust for power. Really? Then he should never need to break into the Sacred Realm to find it. He'll magically get it no matter what! I think he broke into the Sacred Realm and took it, you know, like the game shows us. |
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Grimmyv
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« #33 on: August 03, 2007 » |
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For some reason Link still had the TOC at the end of OoT even though that would cause the future timeline to be without 1/3 of the triforce. The child timeline is still connected to the SR which would also still have the triforce...but Link already had the TOC from the future, so the "past" ends up with 2 TOCs!
Next we have to use some fan fiction...
Perhaps since one of the "destined" bearers of the Triforce suddenly had his piece, the Triforce in the SR's past split and ToP and ToW went to their respective bearers in the past and the "extra" ToC somehow ends up going into the "future" of the adult timeline to be split apart and hidden in treasure chests. All this, of course, is because the Triforce is "magic"!
It's amazing the hurdles we must jump to fix the mess that OoT caused.
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LexLionHart
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« #34 on: August 03, 2007 » |
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For some reason Link still had the TOC at the end of OoT even though that would cause the future timeline to be without 1/3 of the triforce. Or... The Triforce didn't leave the future timeline, and he didn't have it when he returned to the past (but got it before the ending scene, like normal). Which is what we see, both in OoT and according to TWW. |
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TZM
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« #35 on: August 04, 2007 » |
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How could he havre gotten it before the ending scene 'like normal' if the only way it could all work is if Link was transported back to right after he spoke to Zelda the first time?... doesnt make any since...
although i still love my Marty "link" McFly idea...
Maybe Link should have used a time traveling car instead of the master sword...
Of course the Master sword's bringing him to the past doesnt make much since either y'all, i cna understand him getting stuck there for 7 years to become the hero of time, etc, but then after that the master sword just becomes a game ploy to switch between times, and sorta throwas the 'he gets stuck in time' thing out the window... you can get stuck backwards... even then, tiem travel doesnt work quiet like that...
Oh OoT how i love and hateth thee...
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Fairy penguin
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« #36 on: August 04, 2007 » |
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I thought TP Link had the ToC because it was passed down to him because he was the grandkid(or great gandkid, or whatever) of the HoT.
I think 2 Triforces were made when Zelda split the timeline, so Link got to keep his, and the future one split. Zeldas went to her, and passed down the same way, and Ganon got his because he wanted power, as usual, and at the time, really needed it.
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TZM
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« #37 on: August 04, 2007 » |
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so where did the ww link get it if there was already another triforce peice in that timeline?...
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Fairy penguin
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« #38 on: August 04, 2007 » |
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I think 2 Triforces were made when Zelda split the timeline, so Link got to keep his, and the future one split
Does that answer your question?
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Grimmyv
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« #39 on: August 05, 2007 » |
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What happens at the end of OoT...that's the one question we've been asking for 10 years that nobody seems to be able to answer conclusively.
Link shows up in the past and walks up to Zelda just like in the earlier cutscene where they meet for the first time...except for one important difference. Link has the triforce symbol lit up on his hand.
Does he have the TOC at this time at the end of the game? Did he take it from the future or did the "past triforce" split without Ganon ever touching it? Did Link actually go back to a time after Ganon touched the triforce and Zelda snuck back into the castle for some crazy reason?
I dunno. I'm still trying to figure out why Link de-ages every time he goes back to the past. It's magic! No logic required, just go with what feels right. That seems to be what the creators do when they pull a timeline out of thin air and force it onto the fans.
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