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Offline Crazyfreak

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« on: July 13, 2007 »

Okay a little bit TP bashing... But if you can answer the questions. I'd be happy =D
Ps: Some are just for fun okay?

Okay am I the only one who is bugged by the fact that the godesses of Hyrule also created a twilight Mirror? What kind of BullSh*t is that? They created the lands of Hyrule and before leaving they created the triforce. Where the hell did they had the time to make a twilight mirror?

I believe Zelda said that the goddesses left the mirror there so that She and Midna could meet...


Okay thats my first issue second is.

Why can only the true Twilight ruler break the mirror? And how does the mirror actually knows who the true ruler of the twilight is? Wasn't it used to bann people in another realm so that they could never go out, thus can never break the mirror theirselves. Thus the mirror can never be broken... But why is there this stupid rule that the true twilight ruler can break it?

Issue number three
Those annoying kids of Ordon + that Ilia.
Why do they get kidnapped? Why do they appear in Kakariko totally save with no trauma whatsoever? Why does that bigfatguy King Bublin Kidnap Colin again? Do I have to think about dirty things now what that King Bublin does with those kids? Because I don't see another reason why he should kidnap them...
Here's another one. Why does Ilia get Amnesia and the rest doesn't? Ilia got shot in the back. Hun you don't get Amnesia shut in the back... You'll get it when you get a big smack on the head atleast... Like Link for example but then he got that pond to heal him...

Issue number four
Did Zelda gave the triforce to Midna making Mary-sue Midna finally live in the light world and getting rid of Princess Zelda for a while or did she gave her soul?
Because it looked like Zelda gave the triforce to her.. But then later she tells Midna her heart was one... So is Zelda connected with her heart to the triforce of Wisdom?

Issue number five
"Link... I....See you later..."
Why is that always used as "ZOMG MIDNA WANTED TO SAY I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11113232"? Because I can believe that Midna has the hotz for Zelda if I used that argument for the same thing "Princess....I....."  "LOVE YOU!!!!!!!1112323223"

Issue number six
Why does Zelda never calls Midna, Princess Midna? Isn't that a bit rude? Does Zelda feel like Midna isn't an equel to herself... Just cuz she's a shadow... Zomg Zelda's a rascist!

Issue number seven
What happend to Ganondorf? We see the mastersword peacefully in the pedastal... But what happend to the big guy?

Issue number eight
What happend to the Triforce of power? Why did it left Ganondorf? It didn't left him when he got a sword threw his head, the fact that Zelda used some magic on him making him feel bad =( then she used another magic to trap him in together with the sages in the sacred realm.... And the triforce of Power still doesn't leave him!!!! But once Zant snaps his neck in TP... It does? What kind of Propagenda does the triforce of Power has?

Last issue
Why was the mastersword in TP just a stupid key to get Link out of wolf form.. And why wasn't it so legendary as in Oot? Cuz... The Twilight Mirror sure was Zomg Legendary... But the mastersword Ahhh well that rotten thing thats been used by the hero of time ahhh who cares???? Midna and Zelda sure doesn't... Atleast Navi did in Oot. =(


Okay.. Don't bash me for this thread.. I just want some clear answers.... and if you are a huge TP fan.. THEN SHARE ME THAT KNOWLEDGE!!!

Thank you!
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Offline LexLionHart

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« #1 on: July 14, 2007 »

1) I was under the impression that the Mirror of Twilight was "passed" to the sages by the goddesses, not that the goddesses created it.
2) I'm assuming that the Twili created the Mirror.
3) This is not funny.
4) I swear they answered this one. x.x
5) ROFL. No wait. Also not funny.
6) Didn't Zelda not know who exactly Midna was until the very end?
7) Dead. Duh.
8) I didn't see a golden triangle fly away from him. I just saw a crest fade on his hand.
9) The Master Sword is pretty.
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Offline Tywar

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« #2 on: July 14, 2007 »

You know how Zelda says "light and dark are two sides of the same coin... they can not exist without eachother"? If they cant exist without eachother, then where are the edges of that coin? Made impossible because she had to destroy the damn thing didnt she? The coin has no edges any more! yay!

EDIT: Tp rules, dont talk bad about it
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Offline Crazyfreak

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« #3 on: July 14, 2007 »

Twilis didn't created the mirror.... Because the mirror already excisted.... The sages used it against the evil sorce magicians to  bann them.. They eventually became the twili people.
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Offline LexLionHart

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« #4 on: July 14, 2007 »

Yes, they did.

But that doesn't mean the Twili didn't create it.
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Offline HyLorian

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« #5 on: July 14, 2007 »

About issue number three, it is explained very clearly by Colin when you first enter Kakariko that everytime a shadow messenger touches a human that has been transformed to a ghost due to the effects of the Twilight, that person also becomes a shadow messenger. It explains why we only see a limited amount of those creatures in the game, why Kakariko is deserted and why King Bulblin kidnapped those kids. If he could bring easy-to-catch kids from Ordon to feed to those creatures, it would help expand Zant's army of invincible twilight creatures!!(well, execpt against Link of course)
Sheesh, don't you guys ever read dialogue?
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Offline Fairy penguin

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« #6 on: July 14, 2007 »

I thought they were made from the Twili.
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Offline Faceless

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« #7 on: July 14, 2007 »

Colin never mentions anything of the sort.
Barnes on the other hand has this to say:

BARNES
Oh yeah? I wonder if the monsters out there agree with you...
They sure didn't seem impressed by my bombs! How long do you think we can hold
this sanctuary against beasts that strong, huh?
Once they attack, it's OVER!
Remember that lady from the general store? Just one of those things attacked
her, and a whole gang from town went to save her!
And what happened? She was already gone, and there were TWO monsters waitin'!
...You connectin' the dots? That means that if we get attacked by them, then
we'll be...

So even though what you say could be true, if it is, that it wasn't made clear is a failing of the story. That quote is the only mention there ever is of what happens if they catch a Ghost, and the only info we get about the kids' capture is this:

COLIN
The beasts took us and left us to die...but Mr. Renado found us.

Your conclusion is reasonable, but not obvious by any means.
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Offline gliderpilotgirl

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« #8 on: July 14, 2007 »

1) ...no comment.

2) Maybe the mirror can only be broken by the true leader of the Twili because they have ( as Zant says ) special powers bequeathed to them. Maybe that extra bit of power is necessary to fully shatter it, and that's why Zant could only break it into pieces: he wasn't accepted by the people and therefore did not receive the power Midna did.

3) Maybe he just kidnaps them because he can...isn't that why villians do evil? Ganondorf just wanted darkness..he really had no motive in TP.
Ilia clearly had her memory when she was dumped in the Hidden Village with Impaz...she told Impaz about Link. She escaped, and somewhere around the same time there was a rockslide..( the path would have had to have been clear for her to get in in the first place )..maybe she got caught in it, and got hurt...and that's why she has no memory.

4) no idea.

5) I'm not sure...there were numerous recent hints and the general feeling was leading me to believe romantic feelings were stirring within both of them, so based on that..that's what I would extrapolate. It's different from Zelda..they interacted more in a "Sisterly" way...two rulers who have so much in common.

6) Actually it's not rude at all. Midna refers to the Princess as "Zelda" as well. They are equal in rank, therefore the rank "Princess" does not need to be used. It's typically used by subordinates.
If the Sages knew who Midna was...I'd have no trouble believing Zelda does as well.

7) I'd assumed they buried Ganondorf..or did whatever they do to people who die in Hyrule.

8) What normally happens with Triforce holders who die? I'd assume it leaves their body as their spirit does..and someone else recieves it or is subsequently born with it..like how TP Link and Zelda somehow got their pieces which at one time belonged to the original Link and Zelda from OoT.

9) It was likely a blatant plot device to just bring the Master Sword into it...I do wonder if the state of the legends has degraded over time..but apparently according the Renado the legend of the ancient hero is spoken of in Hyrule.

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Offline Shin Illuminated

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« #9 on: July 14, 2007 »

Somewhere down the line, TP will be retconned. And we'll all have to pretend it never happened. Just wait, you'll see.
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Offline TZM

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« #10 on: July 15, 2007 »

Somewhere down the line, TP will be retconned. And we'll all have to pretend it never happened. Just wait, you'll see.

alongf with about 90% of the rest of the games...
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Offline HyLorian

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« #11 on: July 15, 2007 »

Colin never mentions anything of the sort.
Barnes on the other hand has this to say:

BARNES
Oh yeah? I wonder if the monsters out there agree with you...
They sure didn't seem impressed by my bombs! How long do you think we can hold
this sanctuary against beasts that strong, huh?
Once they attack, it's OVER!
Remember that lady from the general store? Just one of those things attacked
her, and a whole gang from town went to save her!
And what happened? She was already gone, and there were TWO monsters waitin'!
...You connectin' the dots? That means that if we get attacked by them, then
we'll be...

So even though what you say could be true, if it is, that it wasn't made clear is a failing of the story. That quote is the only mention there ever is of what happens if they catch a Ghost, and the only info we get about the kids' capture is this:

COLIN
The beasts took us and left us to die...but Mr. Renado found us.

Your conclusion is reasonable, but not obvious by any means.

Yeah, I'm sorry, I actually meant Barnes. I haven“t played the game in a while. But it really seems obvious that that is the reason as to why they kidnap people. Especially those kids, since they are more easily caught by the shadow messengers.
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Offline Crazyfreak

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« #12 on: July 15, 2007 »

1) ...no comment.

2) Maybe the mirror can only be broken by the true leader of the Twili because they have ( as Zant says ) special powers bequeathed to them. Maybe that extra bit of power is necessary to fully shatter it, and that's why Zant could only break it into pieces: he wasn't accepted by the people and therefore did not receive the power Midna did.

Yes but those people are banned in a realm INSIDE the mirror, they can't somehow leave the mirror now can they? Because if they could.. Why didn't they did that before?

3) Maybe he just kidnaps them because he can...isn't that why villians do evil? Ganondorf just wanted darkness..he really had no motive in TP.
Ilia clearly had her memory when she was dumped in the Hidden Village with Impaz...she told Impaz about Link. She escaped, and somewhere around the same time there was a rockslide..( the path would have had to have been clear for her to get in in the first place )..maybe she got caught in it, and got hurt...and that's why she has no memory.

But its stupid... Oh well..
Okay you got a good point with Ilia's mind.


4) no idea.

5) I'm not sure...there were numerous recent hints and the general feeling was leading me to believe romantic feelings were stirring within both of them, so based on that..that's what I would extrapolate. It's different from Zelda..they interacted more in a "Sisterly" way...two rulers who have so much in common.

Ohhhh... I thought Links and Midnas relationship was more "brotherly" 

6) Actually it's not rude at all. Midna refers to the Princess as "Zelda" as well. They are equal in rank, therefore the rank "Princess" does not need to be used. It's typically used by subordinates.
If the Sages knew who Midna was...I'd have no trouble believing Zelda does as well.

Good point

7) I'd assumed they buried Ganondorf..or did whatever they do to people who die in Hyrule.

Or dumped him somewhere in desert.. Or make fun of his deadbody with the hylian people. =P who knows they could be barbarians against Ganondorf lol j/k

8) What normally happens with Triforce holders who die? I'd assume it leaves their body as their spirit does..and someone else recieves it or is subsequently born with it..like how TP Link and Zelda somehow got their pieces which at one time belonged to the original Link and Zelda from OoT.

But Whyyyyyy does the sucker dies?? He gets a freaken mastersword in his head and he doesn't die.... and Neither does the triforce of power leaves him.... Personally I like to believe Ganondorf is the true holder of the triforce of power and no other mary-sue or gary-stu takes it from him.

9) It was likely a blatant plot device to just bring the Master Sword into it...I do wonder if the state of the legends has degraded over time..but apparently according the Renado the legend of the ancient hero is spoken of in Hyrule.

True... But really when I got the mastersword... I was like "okay and now what?" atleast in Oot and in windwaker they told you the mastersword was needed to destroy Ganondorf.



Oh and people, its has bin a while since last played TP. I think TP replay is BORING! And most of the scenes are pretty cheesy so I'd rather do not want to see them again.

*remind people of the scene where Ilia gets her memory back... and points at the cheesy rearing Epona at the back*
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« #13 on: July 15, 2007 »

it wasnt that they were cheasy, it was that they were attempted to be cinimatic... in ways we've seen before.
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Offline gliderpilotgirl

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« #14 on: July 16, 2007 »


Yes but those people are banned in a realm INSIDE the mirror, they can't somehow leave the mirror now can they? Because if they could.. Why didn't they did that before?

The Mirror is on the Light World Side...so it needs to be activated by the Light Worlders in order for it to work, ( I would think that's why ) and even if the Twili did leave, they cannot exist as more than shadows in the Light World..Midna literally steals Link's shadow to be in a form he can see. You can see her riding atop Wolf Link's shadow when he is in the sunlight ( at the beginning of the game )
I'd be willing to guess that the only reason she could later exist in tangible form was because Zelda gave her her Triforce. Zant and the Shadow Beasts ( who appear to be Twili in an altered form ) are existing in the Light World possibly for the same reason..Ganondorf's Triforce is sustaining them. The only other way the world's appear to connect is during "the hour of Twilight" ( Rusl's statement at the very beginning seems to hint at that )..it also would explain why Midna could be tangible in her true form at the end of the game, after Zelda had been restored.


But its stupid... Oh well..
Okay you got a good point with Ilia's mind.


I know..I didn't think it was too well executed at all. It was a convenient plot device to get Link out of Ordon. They did almost the same thing in WW: Aryll got kidnapped as the catalyst but at least there was a good reason explained to us, one that tied into the plot.
I've seen others remark about how King Bublin turns over Ilia's and Colin's wrists..possibly looking for a Triforce symbol..but it makes no sense why they would not even look at Link's.
And maybe they took the kids to ensure no repeat performance of  " a boy comes form the forest to become the hero"...it's said that the legends are active in Hyrule...but then again..they just left Link there.


Ohhhh... I thought Links and Midnas relationship was more "brotherly" 


I would think so too...but his reaction to her true form is what seemed to kill that.


But Whyyyyyy does the sucker dies?? He gets a freaken mastersword in his head and he doesn't die.... and Neither does the triforce of power leaves him.... Personally I like to believe Ganondorf is the true holder of the triforce of power and no other mary-sue or gary-stu takes it from him.


I'm not so sure he is actually dead. He has the ability to reassemble his form and transfer himself...I don't think his current body is that tangible. But this is the Master Sword... it has special powers.


True... But really when I got the mastersword... I was like "okay and now what?" atleast in Oot and in windwaker they told you the mastersword was needed to destroy Ganondorf.


yeah..they just assumed we players knew what it was for. They seemed to do that alot in the game..that we have played the previous ones so we must know.

Oh and people, its has bin a while since last played TP. I think TP replay is BORING! And most of the scenes are pretty cheesy so I'd rather do not want to see them again.

*remind people of the scene where Ilia gets her memory back... and points at the cheesy rearing Epona at the back*

I liked the cinematic bit of TP a good deal..I just thought the wrong people got the screen time and the game's focus. ( Ilia and the village kids seem to be the most glaring example) If that time had been redistributed to Zelda, Ganondorf and even Zant...not to mention more stuff on the plot elements like explaining more backstory and in game happenings...I would not be complaining.
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