Who should be the villain in the next Zelda?

[Minish Majora]

I know there have been threads similar to this one, but I don't think there has been a proper poll to provide a clear indication of what people want.

Obviously Ganondorf has had his day and frankly everybody is getting sick of him. Nintendo is restricted to what they can do with him as they are too cautious not to ruin the character. Therefore that rules out any chance of voice acting and interesting plots.

I would personally like to see Vaati have an opportunity to shine as he showed great potential in TMC. As Vaati is a little known character its more likely Nintendo may give him a voice as there is less to risk if it does ruin the character. They can also do more sinister and surreal Vaati-centric plots as there’s no threat of the character being ruined from it.

As much as I would like to see Majora I don't want his character to be ruined so it’s best to leave him as the fine villain he was.

I also made users able to change their votes, in case any of the discussion sways them into thinking another character might be better.

[Haru to Ashura]

Ganondorf or Majora.  For some reason, I never get sick of Gan-the-man.  (However, I've also been begging for a proper baddie origins story for the last 10 years...>_>

And Majora's just cool.  Vaati's...well...dude, it's a flying eyeball!

Vaati's never been much of a villian, imo. 

[Tristam]

A new one.

[Cap'n Keeta]

I voted for Vaati

Okay I'll wait for the howls of derisive laughter to die down and then I'll explain why...

Ganondorf has been played out. There is no life left in the guy and any further appearances would just undermine him further.

Majora was a very enigmatic and sinister antagonist, but these traits which made him such a credible villain in MM would disappear if he showed up again in another title.

A new villain would be great, but I think the qualities of a good antagonist fans were present in TMC Vaati.  TMC Sorceror Vaati would be very effective in 3D. The eye thing does suck, but Vaati has other forms that are a lot less... well... crap.

Here's why Vaati should be the villain in the next Zelda: He was of a similar age to Link and even bore a slight physical resembelence to him. His modus operandi was much different to Ganondorf's. His descent into corruption and villainy was very dramatic. Unlike other villains who were content to perform one or two villainous acts and then sit back and relax, Vaati's cruelty increased as TMC progressed to the point where he was close to murdering Zelda. If he'd succeeded chances are he'd have wrought more intentional destruction than Ganondorf in his most malicious moments or Majora at its most tormented. 

Being a Capcom-inspired creation in a handheld single-player, commercial failure which was a continuation of a poorly received multiplayer side-game which nobody played isn't exactly a great background for any character - let alone a fearsome villain, but I think if people played TMC on its merits alone, they'd realise that Vaati is a sorely under-rated character.

Chances are though that a new villain will be introduced for the next Zelda title (however far in the future it may be). Hopefully this new villain will have some of the traits I listed above that were present in TMC Vaati, as well as many unique motivations and backstory which would be accentuated through a decent non-Ganondorf storyline.






 

[Crazyfreak]

Ganondorf. And this time they should make him MORE EPIC!! The guy represents POWER!!! Make him look like he has POWER!! Sheesh

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

I think Vaati needs a proper chance to shine. I'm sure people should be tired of this by now, but Vaati Reborn is the coolest version of Vaati, and any game which could sit between TMC and FS in the timeline should feature this form of Vaati.

Failing that, someone new, since that's what I've been led to believe has happened in PH. And PH has sounded totally ruddy awesome. But I have voted Vaati as I hope for more of Reborn. Beats the eyeball design easily.

[Minish Majora]

Ganondorf. And this time they should make him MORE EPIC!! The guy represents POWER!!! Make him look like he has POWER!! Sheesh

There is no point inserting Ganon in game after game after game hoping he won't be crap. He has now failed twice to be decent so why the hell should he get a third chance to be more crap.
He has been the villain in the last two Zelda's (forgetting about PH) and it’s about time we see a baddy who haves nothing to do with Ganondorf who haves a lot more potential to give to the series.

[luffdroppes]

There is no point inserting Ganon in game after game after game hoping he won't be crap. He has now failed twice to be decent so why the hell should he get a third chance to be more crap.

he was somehow amazing before?

[K-64]

I voted Vaati, because, he is a natural sorcerer, he doesn't depend on a golden triangle to give him amazing powers, unlike Ganon and I'm rather fond of his eye form, if it was in 3D they could make it look even more badass.

[Rew]

Another drop in the bucket for our friend Vaati from here.

Now I've never played MC yet (still stuck on FS--definitely not Vaati's shining moment, LoL), but from all I've heard about Vaati there, he's definitely a character worth exploring. My personal opinion is that the next Zelda game on Wii should be an immediate sequel to MC, I guess kind of the same thing but in 3D glory. (This opinion might change after I actually play MC!)

Majora? No. Onox, Veran, Zant? 'Fraid not--they're too tainted with the stigma of GPS ("Ganon Pawn Syndrome"). Granted, Vaati suffered from this ailment too once, but he recovered from that in MC.

As for good ol' Ganon(dorf), I think he needs to take a rest and sit out the next game, thereby allowing him come back strong in a future Zelda title. (Because let's be honest, people, Ganon(dorf) must and will be back eventually.)

Ganondorf has been played out. There is no life left in the guy and any further appearances would just undermine him further.

Strangely, this argument never works for Bowser in the Mario series. Ganondorf is Link's main antagonist. How can we kick him out of the series for good for only a few goofs (really only one goof)?

There is no point inserting Ganon in game after game after game hoping he won't be crap. He has now failed twice to be decent so why the hell should he get a third chance to be more crap.

No, he's only had one slump so far, that being in TP. In WW, we saw one of the greatest incarnations of his character ever--definitely the deepest. And I know you don't mean OoT. Why do we continue to punish the baddie for only one single slip-up? I do think that we need to permanently get rid of the whole pawn-under-Ganon's-control schema that's been floundering the past few games. If Ganon is to be in the game, then let him be the main antagonist from the get-go.

[Fairy penguin]

Ganon needs to stay dead for once. Majora was cool. She made everyone depressed, and could destroy a planet. Shes the only enemy that was never working for Ganon at some time, or took his form. She definetly needs a comeback. Oh, and you forgot Dethl and Dark Link. Dethl was fun.

[JC]

Sheesh. What about a new villain?

Onox and Veran could do quite well, represented correctly in 3D. Of course, they'd need much more dimension to them personality wise.

Vaati, on the other hand, is just bad. He's just a typical 'I want Hyrule for myself while I be a sarcastic idiot who tries to sound evil while always laughing!' villain. True, Ganondorf is like this (minus the latter two parts), but he came first, so, therefore, the two are incomparable and Vaati copies Ganondorf. So, Ganondorf would work well, too, with a whole new story behind him and a new motive for evil, of course. :-D

Majora? Well, I'm not too interested in Majora, but if he's not a mask, has an interesting back story and isn't out for Hyrule or any piece of land, I'll be happy to see him come back. 

[Haru to Ashura]

No, he's only had one slump so far, that being in TP. In WW, we saw one of the greatest incarnations of his character ever--definitely the deepest.

Damn strait!  Wind Waker Ganondorf actually showed character.  Sure, physically he looked kind of silly, but so did everything else in the game, so you can't hold that against him.

And as for TP Ganondorf...*shrug* I think it worked for the story.  It was supposed to show that Ganondorf didn't want to do the dirty work himself, so he found a servant to do it for him.  Manipulation is at the root of all 'evil' behavior.  Also, calling yourself a God...that's the ultimate sin, to pretend to be God.  That makes him pretty cool...

I doubt we'll ever see Onox or Veran again, unless they're trohpies in Brawl or something like that.  It's been too long since they were in a game, and they weren't very memorable to begin with.  To the casual Zelda fan, there's no 'remember this guy?' value.

To elaborate on Majora...they should make a villian out of Majora itself, not Majora's Mask.  Whatever the heck Majora is...

[Super Ganny]

I agree with Haru.[see, I pay attention, as Rew said in one topic, lol] Except for TWW Ganon being a good baddie. He didn't seem that evil in TWW, with his speech at the end. But he was cool in TP and OOT.

[hisak]

New villain, especially if the next game is a Twilight Princess sequel. I was never much of a Vaati fan, and I don't think Majora would be quite the same if it was in another game, so the only course I want right now is a new villain.

[Uber_Challenger]

There is no point inserting Ganon in game after game after game hoping he won't be crap. He has now failed twice to be decent so why the hell should he get a third chance to be more crap.

he was somehow amazing before?

I agree. I thought TP Ganondorf was more amazing than OOT or WW Ganondorf. He and OOT Ganon were probably about the same for me. As I've said before, they just need to make Ganondorf do more damage and have harder-to-avoid attacks.

[Minish Majora]

No, he's only had one slump so far, that being in TP. In WW, we saw one of the greatest incarnations of his character ever--definitely the deepest. And I know you don't mean OoT. Why do we continue to punish the baddie for only one single slip-up? I do think that we need to permanently get rid of the whole pawn-under-Ganon's-control schema that's been floundering the past few games. If Ganon is to be in the game, then let him be the main antagonist from the get-go.

I was quite harsh on WW Ganon back there but it was getting late and I didn’t really care what I was writing. Still in the last two Zelda's Ganon has only been half right. In TP he was an idiot but looked cool while in WW he had a great personality and depth but looked silly.
If WW and TP Ganon were combined, you would get the ultimate Ganon.


If Vaati doesn't make the cut for next villain, I would prefer to see a new villain. I thought Zant was showing great potential up until "Ganon Puppet Syndrome". A new villain is the most likely move Nintendo will do at the moment as I doubt Ganon will appear three games on the trot.

[Shin Illuminated]

I voted for new villain.

I say make Link the villain. That would be an interesting twist on things. He gets corrupt, and a new hero has to take him down.

That would be something.

[Rew]

Er, like Dark Link?

[Minish Majora]

I voted for new villain.

I say make Link the villain. That would be an interesting twist on things. He gets corrupt, and a new hero has to take him down.

That would be something.

It sounds good but it will level be pulled off without looking tacky and crap.
The new storyline haves to be clever and well worked out not a two sentence plot twist.

I wouldn't want Link to be a villain, he will have even less dialogue than before.