Guild Wars

[Loki]

Um, sorry SB. I've watched several videos on Google and such of Guild Wars.

Those graphics are *awful*

[K-64]

Um, sorry SB. I've watched several videos on Google and such of Guild Wars.

Those graphics are *awful*

...as is the trend with MMOs

[Loki]

Um, sorry SB. I've watched several videos on Google and such of Guild Wars.

Those graphics are *awful*

...as is the trend with MMOs

Actually, FFXI and WoW have pretty good graphics. Even City of Heroes is nice. But Guild Wars is just gross.

[Snowball]

...

I seriously have no idea how you got that impression of Guild Wars. Do you actually believe that? I mean, wow... o.0

[Witless]

Um, sorry SB. I've watched several videos on Google and such of Guild Wars.

Those graphics are *awful*

...as is the trend with MMOs

Actually, FFXI and WoW have pretty good graphics. Even City of Heroes is nice. But Guild Wars is just gross.

Actually, GW is graphically superior to WoW if not by characters, definitely in overworld. I don't know what kind of screenshots you've seen but it's generally known that Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

[Loki]

Um, sorry SB. I've watched several videos on Google and such of Guild Wars.

Those graphics are *awful*

...as is the trend with MMOs

Actually, FFXI and WoW have pretty good graphics. Even City of Heroes is nice. But Guild Wars is just gross.

Actually, GW is graphically superior to WoW if not by characters, definitely in overworld. I don't know what kind of screenshots you've seen but it's generally known that Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

Ok so sure. The backgrounds are nice, but nothing that spectacular. And the character models are definitely what I see more of, so that's where my judgement goes. If the character models are crap, who cares about how pretty the background might be?

[JordAnime]

Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

Guildwars and EQ are probably technically superior when it comes to polygons and shader usage, but I think WoW has a cooler style.  And anyway, just goes to show you how much father gameplay goes, as even though it costs money, Blizzard still has more subscriptions and has sold more software units than NCsoft has with their free MMO.

[K-64]

that is because blizzard has a higher number of games so more people would buy it, and warcraft is one of their most popular franchises.

[Loki]

that is because blizzard has a higher number of games so more people would buy it, and warcraft is one of their most popular franchises.

If that were the case, then I'm pretty sure that FFXI would be doing amazing as well. But I guarantee you that they don't have nearly the players WoW does.

Know why? The gameplay sucks.

Face it. It's not just blizzard. It's the fact that WoW has better gameplay than any other MMO.

And like Jordan said. The style is way better, regardless of technical details.

[Witless]

Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

Guildwars and EQ are probably technically superior when it comes to polygons and shader usage, but I think WoW has a cooler style.  And anyway, just goes to show you how much father gameplay goes, as even though it costs money, Blizzard still has more subscriptions and has sold more software units than NCsoft has with their free MMO.

I know. That's why I said WoW is known for it's gameplay.
Though rumor has it the next GW is going to have the same style of gameplay as WoW but still the same graphical style, which should be interesting.

[JordAnime]

You can copy all you want, but you'll never pass surpass the original. 

It's like the iPod, doesn't matter if their are cheaper alternatives, everyone wants an iPod.

[K-64]

I'll admit WoW is better, but just not enough to pay for it every month

[Snowball]

Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

Guildwars and EQ are probably technically superior when it comes to polygons and shader usage, but I think WoW has a cooler style.  And anyway, just goes to show you how much father gameplay goes, as even though it costs money, Blizzard still has more subscriptions and has sold more software units than NCsoft has with their free MMO.

I agree about the art style.

WoW has more subscriptions because it got lucky. It isn't anything special; it's just another Everquest variant. You may say 'it perfected the formula', and that could be true, but that doesn't change the fact that it is nothing new and to be blunt the PvP sucks. GW and WoW each excel in different areas, but the fact that WoW has more subscribers does not make it a better game.

You can copy all you want, but you'll never pass surpass the original. 

It's like the iPod, doesn't matter if their are cheaper alternatives, everyone wants an iPod.

Like I said, WoW is nothing new.

Again, that's a case of marketing and one product getting lucky. iPods may be pretty good and the 'stylish' option but there are a lot of MP3 players that do more things- and better in some cases.

[Loki]

Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

Guildwars and EQ are probably technically superior when it comes to polygons and shader usage, but I think WoW has a cooler style.  And anyway, just goes to show you how much father gameplay goes, as even though it costs money, Blizzard still has more subscriptions and has sold more software units than NCsoft has with their free MMO.

I agree about the art style.

WoW has more subscriptions because it got lucky.

That doesn't even make any sense. It clearly has more subscribers because it's better than the others. That has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with how entertaining and involving it is. If it was mediocre, it wouldn't have so many people. You're just reaching for things now.

It isn't anything special; it's just another Everquest variant. You may say 'it perfected the formula', and that could be true,

Maybe not perfected, but the fact that more people choose WoW than other games kinda proves that it at least made the formula a lot better.

but that doesn't change the fact that it is nothing new

Of course not. After 5000 years (give or take), nothing's new.

and to be blunt the PvP sucks.

About 9 million people disagree with you. And anyway, how does it suck exactly? Seems pretty damn good to me.

GW and WoW each excel in different areas, but the fact that WoW has more subscribers does not make it a better game.

You're right. Having more subscribers in and of itself does not make a game better. But the fact that it does have more subscribers clearly proves that more people would rather play it than anything else, which proves that it's better. If it was subpar, people would flock to something better. Sorry, but you lose here.

You can copy all you want, but you'll never pass surpass the original. 

It's like the iPod, doesn't matter if their are cheaper alternatives, everyone wants an iPod.

Like I said, WoW is nothing new.

That is the worst argument ever. "It's not new." Sure it's not new. Neither was Bumblebee when Sam Witwicky purchased him, but he was clearly way better than the other vehicles on the lot now wasn't he?

I. Win.

Again, that's a case of marketing and one product getting lucky. iPods may be pretty good and the 'stylish' option but there are a lot of MP3 players that do more things- and better in some cases.

Yes but clearly they don't excel in as many areas as iPods do. They either aren't as reliable, aren't as good, or something. You clearly don't understand products. It's not about luck, it's about being better. Only the strong survive and whatnot. iPod is a trusted name from a trusted company that's proven what it can do. The others have not.

[Snowball]

Guildwars is best known for its graphics and WoW for its gameplay.

Guildwars and EQ are probably technically superior when it comes to polygons and shader usage, but I think WoW has a cooler style.  And anyway, just goes to show you how much father gameplay goes, as even though it costs money, Blizzard still has more subscriptions and has sold more software units than NCsoft has with their free MMO.

I agree about the art style.

WoW has more subscriptions because it got lucky.

That doesn't even make any sense. It clearly has more subscribers because it's better than the others. That has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with how entertaining and involving it is. If it was mediocre, it wouldn't have so many people. You're just reaching for things now.

It isn't anything special; it's just another Everquest variant. You may say 'it perfected the formula', and that could be true,

Maybe not perfected, but the fact that more people choose WoW than other games kinda proves that it at least made the formula a lot better.

but that doesn't change the fact that it is nothing new

Of course not. After 5000 years (give or take), nothing's new.

and to be blunt the PvP sucks.

About 9 million people disagree with you. And anyway, how does it suck exactly? Seems pretty damn good to me.

GW and WoW each excel in different areas, but the fact that WoW has more subscribers does not make it a better game.

You're right. Having more subscribers in and of itself does not make a game better. But the fact that it does have more subscribers clearly proves that more people would rather play it than anything else, which proves that it's better. If it was subpar, people would flock to something better. Sorry, but you lose here.

You can copy all you want, but you'll never pass surpass the original. 

It's like the iPod, doesn't matter if their are cheaper alternatives, everyone wants an iPod.

Like I said, WoW is nothing new.

That is the worst argument ever. "It's not new." Sure it's not new. Neither was Bumblebee when Sam Witwicky purchased him, but he was clearly way better than the other vehicles on the lot now wasn't he?

I. Win.

Again, that's a case of marketing and one product getting lucky. iPods may be pretty good and the 'stylish' option but there are a lot of MP3 players that do more things- and better in some cases.

Yes but clearly they don't excel in as many areas as iPods do. They either aren't as reliable, aren't as good, or something. You clearly don't understand products. It's not about luck, it's about being better. Only the strong survive and whatnot. iPod is a trusted name from a trusted company that's proven what it can do. The others have not.

So you're telling me every single WoW subscriber bought the game because they'd played it and from experience thought it was good? Games do not sell based on merit alone, least of all to the casual audience that WoW has captured. It's all about marketing-  WoW is nothing special in the gameplay area. There have been other, more polished MMORPGs with the same basic gameplay. Aside from marketing, it's down to chance.

So you're telling me that every single WoW subscriber researched the game and chose it over the other MMOs out there? Hah. I admit that MMORPGs are hardly impulse buys, but saying that they chose the game because it is better is ridiculous.

...Was that supposed to be a joke?

Yes, because you can really prove to me that every single WoW subscriber enjoys PvP as much as PvE...

Why? People are loath to leave MMOs because of the time and effort they put in- it's addictive. I'm not saying WoW is subpar- like I have mentioned before, I do have problems with it but I recognize it as a good game. What I am saying however is that you can't just claim that WoW is the best MMO out there due to it's popularity.

Read through the posts again. I'm not using this 'it isn't new' argument to counter your argument that WoW is the best. I'm saying that it's gameplay is no different to most other MMOs out there.

And saying 'I. Win.' just shows that you obviously aren't mature enough to actually debate about this instead of making ridiculous statements.

The others have proven themselves, it just isn't publicized enough. I have no idea why you're defending iPods in the first place but that argument is weak.

[Fluesopp]

iPods rock!

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No, seriously, isn't this about Guild Wars? Not some comparison between Guild Wars and Wow? If so, then let's throw in some Star Wars Galaxies. Right now it's so f*cked up with all those patches and things.. It's almost as Ultima Online when Trammel was "invented".
No, Age of Conan and the next MMORPG from BIOWARE is my calling.

And a quick note why people choose WoW. It's because every else does so. And people does what everybody else does.

[Snowball]

iPods rock!

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No, seriously, isn't this about Guild Wars? Not some comparison between Guild Wars and Wow? If so, then let's throw in some Star Wars Galaxies. Right now it's so f*cked up with all those patches and things.. It's almost as Ultima Online when Trammel was "invented".
No, Age of Conan and the next MMORPG from BIOWARE is my calling.

And a quick note why people choose WoW. It's because every else does so. And people does what everybody else does.

On the topic of other MMOs, LotR Online looks pretty sweet- but I love pretty much everything Tolkien. Also, WAR (Warhammer Online) looks awesome (I'm a fan of the tabletop game) and those two you mentioned should be good. I hope the Bioware MMO isn't KOTOR, though- I'm not really a fan of Star Wars since the prequel films (the 3rd one is good). Oh, and the Expanded Universe is really silly sometimes =/

Right. It's like a snowball.

[Loki]

So you're telling me every single WoW subscriber bought the game because they'd played it and from experience thought it was good? Games do not sell based on merit alone, least of all to the casual audience that WoW has captured. It's all about marketing-  WoW is nothing special in the gameplay area. There have been other, more polished MMORPGs with the same basic gameplay. Aside from marketing, it's down to chance.

I'm saying that as much as the idea that people play Guild Wars for any other reason than the lack of a monthly fee.

So you're telling me that every single WoW subscriber researched the game and chose it over the other MMOs out there? Hah. I admit that MMORPGs are hardly impulse buys, but saying that they chose the game because it is better is ridiculous.

You'd be surprised how many people go and look at different reviews nowadays, since they're so easily accessible and can be found quickly. Not even just IGN or Gamespot, but GameFAQs (even though they're a bunch of idiots) has a good review board because you see the obsessed people and the haters all in one.

...Was that supposed to be a joke?

I never joke around.

Yes, because you can really prove to me that every single WoW subscriber enjoys PvP as much as PvE...

Can you prove that they don't?

Why? People are loath to leave MMOs because of the time and effort they put in- it's addictive. I'm not saying WoW is subpar- like I have mentioned before, I do have problems with it but I recognize it as a good game. What I am saying however is that you can't just claim that WoW is the best MMO out there due to it's popularity.

Not everyone gets addicted. That's a very small minority.

Read through the posts again. I'm not using this 'it isn't new' argument to counter your argument that WoW is the best. I'm saying that it's gameplay is no different to most other MMOs out there.

Well yeah, most MMOs are going to have a somewhat similar gameplay, but as a whole package it's quite different.

And saying 'I. Win.' just shows that you obviously aren't mature enough to actually debate about this instead of making ridiculous statements.

No, it shows that I don't actually care and I'm just doing this out of boredom.

The others have proven themselves, it just isn't publicized enough. I have no idea why you're defending iPods in the first place but that argument is weak.

Because you're against them. I thought that'd be obvious.

No, seriously, isn't this about Guild Wars?

I think it's quite obvious that the answer to that question is now "no."

Not some comparison between Guild Wars and Wow? If so, then let's throw in some Star Wars Galaxies. Right now it's so f*cked up with all those patches and things.. It's almost as Ultima Online when Trammel was "invented".

No one cares about the SW MMO anymore. Not since I hear that they added Jedi as a starting class rather than a "work your ass off" class.

And a quick note why people choose WoW. It's because every else does so. And people does what everybody else does.

And because it's fun? Right?

On the topic of other MMOs, LotR Online looks pretty sweet- but I love pretty much everything Tolkien.

It's pretty damn good, actually. I tried it out when I was taking one of my breaks from WoW.

I hope the Bioware MMO isn't KOTOR, though- I'm not really a fan of Star Wars since the prequel films (the 3rd one is good). Oh, and the Expanded Universe is really silly sometimes =/

I doubt it. They already have a Star Wars MMO and it's not likely they'd release two.

[Fluesopp]

And a quick note why people choose WoW. It's because every else does so. And people does what everybody else does.

And because it's fun? Right?

I know alot of people that play the game, and they say it themselves that they play it because everybody else does too. I played guild wars a while, but I quitted. Not because it wasn't fun, but I didn't know anybody that was playing. If I had started with WoW, I probably would have played it more becuase I know people that play. I used to play UO before. Uo is not better than GW, but we were about 10 or so who played it together. That way we interacted and had fun together. And that's what GW is not about, and WoW is about. In GW you get an instance, where 4 to 16 (i think) persons can join at the same time. In Wow, you can be as many as you wish right? You don't get a own instance for each map?

I hope the Bioware MMO isn't KOTOR, though- I'm not really a fan of Star Wars since the prequel films (the 3rd one is good). Oh, and the Expanded Universe is really silly sometimes =/

I doubt it. They already have a Star Wars MMO and it's not likely they'd release two.

Actually, it's most likly that they will do so. Reason 1: They are cooperating with LucasArt. Reason 2: The previous Star Wars MMO is not only loosing ground, but miserably failing to reach any ground, which would not make the two competitioners.

[Snowball]

So you're telling me every single WoW subscriber bought the game because they'd played it and from experience thought it was good? Games do not sell based on merit alone, least of all to the casual audience that WoW has captured. It's all about marketing-  WoW is nothing special in the gameplay area. There have been other, more polished MMORPGs with the same basic gameplay. Aside from marketing, it's down to chance.

I'm saying that as much as the idea that people play Guild Wars for any other reason than the lack of a monthly fee.

So you're telling me that every single WoW subscriber researched the game and chose it over the other MMOs out there? Hah. I admit that MMORPGs are hardly impulse buys, but saying that they chose the game because it is better is ridiculous.

You'd be surprised how many people go and look at different reviews nowadays, since they're so easily accessible and can be found quickly. Not even just IGN or Gamespot, but GameFAQs (even though they're a bunch of idiots) has a good review board because you see the obsessed people and the haters all in one.

Yes, because you can really prove to me that every single WoW subscriber enjoys PvP as much as PvE...

Can you prove that they don't?

Why? People are loath to leave MMOs because of the time and effort they put in- it's addictive. I'm not saying WoW is subpar- like I have mentioned before, I do have problems with it but I recognize it as a good game. What I am saying however is that you can't just claim that WoW is the best MMO out there due to it's popularity.

Not everyone gets addicted. That's a very small minority.

Read through the posts again. I'm not using this 'it isn't new' argument to counter your argument that WoW is the best. I'm saying that it's gameplay is no different to most other MMOs out there.

Well yeah, most MMOs are going to have a somewhat similar gameplay, but as a whole package it's quite different.

And saying 'I. Win.' just shows that you obviously aren't mature enough to actually debate about this instead of making ridiculous statements.

No, it shows that I don't actually care and I'm just doing this out of boredom.

The others have proven themselves, it just isn't publicized enough. I have no idea why you're defending iPods in the first place but that argument is weak.

Because you're against them. I thought that'd be obvious.

And a quick note why people choose WoW. It's because every else does so. And people does what everybody else does.

And because it's fun? Right?

On the topic of other MMOs, LotR Online looks pretty sweet- but I love pretty much everything Tolkien.

It's pretty damn good, actually. I tried it out when I was taking one of my breaks from WoW.

I hope the Bioware MMO isn't KOTOR, though- I'm not really a fan of Star Wars since the prequel films (the 3rd one is good). Oh, and the Expanded Universe is really silly sometimes =/

I doubt it. They already have a Star Wars MMO and it's not likely they'd release two.

But I didn't say that. The monthly fee is the most attractive feature of Guild Wars from a marketing perspective.

But that's the point, casual gamers (I'm using this as a very broad, generic term) wouldn't research it no matter how easy it is to find.

I'm not the one making the ridiculous claim. And I didn't say I could prove it, either.

I'm using addicted in very broad terms. Addicted as in people don't want to leave the game due to the time they have invested in it; not like the Starcraft addiction you get in Korea. On the topic of Starcraft, that is ripped off Warhammer too (40k)...

Maybe, but that doesn't make it revolutionary.

Then why not do something constructive?

That really doesn't make a lot of sense.

I didn't say it wasn't fun; I said that it isn't better than Guild Wars.

I'm turned off it by the lack of Noldor ;-;

A flopped Star Wars MMO.