The Draining of the Great Sea in TWW

[Deku]

You all are probably well aware of the Deku Tree's statement to Link after he saves Makar from the forbidden forest, his prophecy that all the islands will eventually grow into one vast new land via the planting of seeds.  I'm curious how that is treated by you timeline theorists/experts?  Does that signify the eventual creation of a new Hyrule later or does it simply express a desire of the Great Deku Tree that it might come true one day?  And if you consider it simply the expression of the Deku Tree's desire to see the Great Sea drained, how do you (or timelines that you ascribe to) reconcile it with the fact that he claims it will happen "soon."

I like the idea that the Great Sea may not be permanent and that a new Hyrule may emerge one day.

Thanks! 

PS: I never actually completed the side quest to water the trees with forest water in TWW (I got bored with it).  Did his comments have something to do with the completion of that task?

[Hiei]

Your not alone, I became to busy to finish that side quest myself.

Anyways, it's practically a goal of desire to the tree. We're not sure if it was just for a quest background, or if it's gonna have its spot somewhere in the future of the TWW Link.

Personally, it seems rather against what the King of Red Lions wanted. He wanted Hyrule's past to drown along with the kingdom's failure of protection of its civilization. He wanted the new generation of people (more speaking so of children) to guide a new era of civilization among the new Hyrule or other words "Great Sea".

So the desires of the King of Red Lions and what the Deku Tree want, are adverse.

I'm curious to see where this will go myself.

[Plazmataz]

I like the idea that the Great Sea may not be permanent and that a new Hyrule may emerge one day.

It would not be a new Hyrule. It would be some random forest land, like a giant lost woods. Hyrule would be suffocating beneath its roots.

There may be new land there, but I'll say it again: There is no new Hyrule after TWW.

If you've seen me rant about this before, you know how I feel about post-WW theories.

[TheHylian]

Like plassie said, There won't be an eruption causing hyrule to shoot up and be there. Somebody/People has/have to claim it so they can call it their own land, becuase the land would be a forest, or desert, or whatnot.

[Fairy penguin]

Where would the water go? Also, it would take millions of years to suck up all that water! By then, people would have left the planet and gone somewhere else!

[Lordofnightmares]

This is where being a DTer makes perfect sense. The WW/PH games are the most recent games in that splinter timeline. No games take place after them yet.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

I've only ever really thought about "draining" the Great Sea to fit in the original NES games because the landscape is so barren, but even that is pushing it a little...

I think working the split with a wet side and a dry side is a great plan for the series, so why worry about restoring Hyrule on one side when there's a perfectly good one to play with on the other?

[Super Ganny]

I've only ever really thought about "draining" the Great Sea to fit in the original NES games because the landscape is so barren, but even that is pushing it a little...

I think working the split with a wet side and a dry side is a great plan for the series, so why worry about restoring Hyrule on one side when there's a perfectly good one to play with on the other?

  Even though I don't believe in Splitism, I think that the NES games would have to go in the Adult one in a Split one.  The Towns are named after OOT sages.

[Uber_Challenger]

I've only ever really thought about "draining" the Great Sea to fit in the original NES games because the landscape is so barren, but even that is pushing it a little...

I think working the split with a wet side and a dry side is a great plan for the series, so why worry about restoring Hyrule on one side when there's a perfectly good one to play with on the other?

That's a good point. It could give the series more variety than having the same Hyrule on both sides the whole time. Still, I would've liked to explore Hyrule in Wind Waker (instead of being restricted to a small part of it) before it was flooded over again. I have a hunch, though, that it may look a bit like a cel shaded replica of Hyrule in TP. But still, it would've been cool to explore Hyrule fully in WW.

And Super Ganny, that's actually a good point. The sages were never given names on the OOT (child) side of the timeline, so this could mean that the two originals might be on the other side of the timeline.

[Plazmataz]

I've only ever really thought about "draining" the Great Sea to fit in the original NES games because the landscape is so barren, but even that is pushing it a little...

I think working the split with a wet side and a dry side is a great plan for the series, so why worry about restoring Hyrule on one side when there's a perfectly good one to play with on the other?

I think this is more profound than we're giving it credit for. EA, that really is ingenious. Even I, crusader against everything post-WW, see appeal in this. It deserves its own thread to discuss the topic further, clarify things, and determine if this is something worth building a timeline on.

Right as I finished the last sentence, all my evidence against post-WW theories rushed back into my head. Must've been temporary insanity. Anyway:

There can be no post-WW theories because not only is there no evidence for it and a handful of evidence against it, but there is no way on Earth, Heaven, or Hell that Hyrule can drain without fan fiction.

Ahh... it feels good to be back in my right mind.

[Fairy penguin]

EA, have you forgotten that the Eastern hemisphere wasn't a bunch of tiny islands? In TWW, you can see whjy people rely on the sea. They can't grow crops, so they have to explore the ocean.

[LexLionHart]

The idea that trees can make islands larger is, in fact, derived from a real-world natural phenomenon, albeit one that happens on a much smaller scale. "Tree islands" are islands that start out as small patches in wetlands that, over time, become so overgrown with trees that the trees literally begin to drain the water around the island. This is much too close to what the Deku Tree prescribes for the ideas to not be linked at least conceptually, especially since the game itself never makes a point to clarify that the process will occur magically.

There can be no post-WW theories because not only is there no evidence for it and a handful of evidence against it, but there is no way on Earth, Heaven, or Hell that Hyrule can drain without fan fiction.

*cough*

Forests hold great power--they can change
one tiny island into a much larger island.
Soon, a day will come when all the islands
are one, connected by earth and grove.

And the people who live on that great
island will be able to join hands and,
together, create a better world.

Such is my dream.

...But the one you are chasing is trying
to prevent that dream from ever coming to pass.

Yet all was not lost. For the gods knew
that to seal the people away with the
kingdom would be to grant Ganon's wish
for the destruction of the land.

So, before the sealing of the kingdom,
the gods chose those who would build a
new country and commanded them to take
refuge on the mountaintops.

What did the King of Hyrule say?
...That the gods sealed Hyrule away?

And they left behind people who would
one day awaken Hyrule?!

I have scattered the seeds of the future...
(foreshadowing + ironic word choice = fishy business)

[Grimmyv]

Sorry, just a bunch of wishful thinking by the king and a tree cannot bring back Hyrule, only a new game can do so, and I don't see one in development that promises to raise the old Hyrule from the depths.  And who can know the will of the gods?

[Fairy penguin]

Say the trees do suck up all the water. Then Hyrule would be a massive forest with less then an inch between trees. No Zelda game is like that. Now, where would the water go? Trees can't just destroy it. It has to go somewhere. You also don't seem to realise that trees take a long time to grow, and even draining an inch off the Great Sea would take at least a thousand years if it covers the whole planet. Taking out the whole thing would probably take millions of years,in which technology would change drastically.
I've noticed you use this argument a lot, as if it proves something.

[Lordofnightmares]

I personally feel, until a game talks about a great flood in the past, the TWW's ocean still stands. There has been no reference to a great flood except in TWW/PH, thats it. In it's timeline TWW/PH is the most recent.

[Grimmyv]

Well, there is one thing the Deku Tree has going for it...MAGIC!

But, still it's a big longshot and lots of fan fic.

[LexLionHart]

Fairy penguin: The Zelda franchise prides itself on its ability to avoid proper references to games within its chronology, as well as an uncanny pattern of several-century-long gaps between chapters with little to no change in technological advancement or societal change. A lack of references is both expected and normal, especially for a game released ten years after any of the older games, yet placed in a spot that could arguably/necessarily be before them, and unnecessarily large gaps between games has been a mainstay since TWW.

And who can know the will of the gods?

The game knows much better than you, and it says, and I quote:

"The gods chose those who would build a new country..."
"...one day awaken Hyrule..."
"...[make] all the islands... one, connected by earth and grove."

I'd like to see a piece of evidence that refutes this most-definitely-heavily-evidenced-in-game idea. The "ancient land of Hyrule" being washed away by crashing floodwaters doesn't cut it, because the game is referencing a "new country", albeit, one that Tetra seems adamant about making into a new "Hyrule."

[Fairy penguin]

I'd like to see evidence that they will find it. Just because she wants to find it doesn't mean she will. Also, the Kings wish was that Hyrule would be gone. Forever. Never to come back.
It would help if we could see ALL of the quotes about Hyrule coming back, not just fragments of sentences. Sentence fragments don't do much inless there missing only one word.

[LexLionHart]

I'd like to see evidence that they will find it.

Right. Because the developers like leaving tons of evidence pointing to a certain conclusion, only to ignore it.

Also, the Kings wish was that Hyrule would be gone. Forever. Never to come back.

His exact words were "wash away this ancient land of Hyrule."

It would help if we could see ALL of the quotes about Hyrule coming back, not just fragments of sentences.

You're obviously not reading any of my posts, since they were all in the very last post.

[Hiei]

His exact words were "wash away this ancient land of Hyrule."

Yes. And as I said, the Great Deku tree's oh so called plan contradicts what the King wanted.

You're obviously not reading any of my posts, since they were all in the very last post.

Nothing against you at all. We could all come up with an obvious reason why some threads go on repeating the essential points of what people have to say over and over, rephrased and rephrased.

That's why I've said before, I like listening to people.