A new Oracle theory

[Fairy penguin]

I was playing these games recently, and now that I pay attention to the sun a lot more than I ever did, I noticed that Seasons opening is at noon and Ages is at dusk. I know this part isn't canon anymore, but I'm guessing the 3rd games opening was at dawn. And as dawn can be seen as the beginning and dusk the end, I now think it really is Seasons then Ages. I know some of this is based on the 3rd game that never came out, but even without dawn, there is still the middle and end.
So what does everyone think?

[Super Ganny]

Well, the Manga has it go Seasons than Ages, so maybe you're on to something.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

I've never really noticed / paid attention to the whole Noon and Dusk thing. Might be worth having another looksy...

Having said that though, I've always put Seasons before Ages. I might've mentioned these reasons before, but just to recap:
- Look closely at the serial numbers on the left side of the cartridges. OoS and OoA were the seventh and eighth official Zelda titles. The serial number for Seasons (in Europe, anyway) was CGB-AZ7P-EUR, while Ages was CGB-AZ8P-EUR. (Ages cartridge to explain)
- Have you read the backstory in the manuals to Seasons and Ages? Seasons speaks of Link going to the Triforce and beginning his quest. Ages speaks of him waking up in a forest.

[Fairy penguin]

I always thought those were just some random letters and stuff put on the games and I've never really noticed them. Manuals don't seem that different from each other, so I never really noticed that difference.

Ganny, manga isn't canon.

[Ed Link]

Or they may say that because Seasons was a finished game before Ages. Using dates of releases doesn't really matter, I think.

[JonathanSpenc]

I believe that Oracle of Ages and Seasons are just the same game taking place at two different times.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

I believe that Oracle of Ages and Seasons are just the same game taking place at two different times.

Obvious question: Why? There are so many differences between the two games I'm taking that suggestion as a crazy joke or some badly thought out timelining.

Going right back to the first post, I'm replaying Oracles atm. Checked the title sequences and FP was right. And I'd be happy to add that to the list of reasons for going Seasons > Oracles. (While continuing to make me wonder what could've happened in that third game...)

[JonathanSpenc]

I believe that Oracle of Ages and Seasons are just the same game taking place at two different times.

Obvious question: Why? There are so many differences between the two games I'm taking that suggestion as a crazy joke or some badly thought out timelining.

Going right back to the first post, I'm replaying Oracles atm. Checked the title sequences and FP was right. And I'd be happy to add that to the list of reasons for going Seasons > Oracles. (While continuing to make me wonder what could've happened in that third game...)

'Kay NVM. Well how about the same opening because it's the same events repeating themselves at different lands?

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

That doesn't work for the simple fact that the events are completely different. Different Oracle, different villain, different dungeons, different "Macguffin" (Rod of Seasons/Harp of Ages) for shifting gameplay.

And if you link the two games, then they are clearly the same storyline because the events of both games when united led to the climax of the linked quest.

There are also smaller details in the linked quest like Bipin and Blossom's kid who has matured by the end of one game, and the family move to the second land in your second game.

[JonathanSpenc]

That doesn't work for the simple fact that the events are completely different. Different Oracle, different villain, different dungeons, different "Macguffin" (Rod of Seasons/Harp of Ages) for shifting gameplay.

And if you link the two games, then they are clearly the same storyline because the events of both games when united led to the climax of the linked quest.

There are also smaller details in the linked quest like Bipin and Blossom's kid who has matured by the end of one game, and the family move to the second land in your second game.

Well they ARE related in some way! That's why they have the same opening.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

Well yeah...

It's just how they're related (basically me debunking your idea that they're same game/events) and in what order they come in the timeline.

[JonathanSpenc]

Well yeah...

It's just how they're related (basically me debunking your idea that they're same game/events) and in what order they come in the timeline.

The Oracle games are the NUMBER ONE BIGGEST BRAIN-TEASERS of the Zelda Timeline.

[Fairy penguin]

How is it the same opening when one is Link riding through a field at noon and the other on a beach at dusk? Where they go? Sometime after Ganon gets killed. Even more likely a blue Ganon. (so FSA, LttP, LoZ).

[JonathanSpenc]

How is it the same opening when one is Link riding through a field at noon and the other on a beach at dusk? Where they go? Sometime after Ganon gets killed. Even more likely a blue Ganon. (so FSA, LttP, LoZ).

They're probably like this:

1)Seasons goes in Hyrule A(young Link) after A Link to the Past.
2)Ages goes in Hyrule B(Adult Link) after Wind Waker.

I got this idea from the "Gametrailers:Zelda Timeline" video

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

They're probably like this:

1)Seasons goes in Hyrule A(young Link) after A Link to the Past.
2)Ages goes in Hyrule B(Adult Link) after Wind Waker.

But the two stories eventually link up as one so have to be in same timeline...

I got this idea from the "Gametrailers:Zelda Timeline" video

I wish that video had never been made. It's awful.

[JonathanSpenc]

They're probably like this:

1)Seasons goes in Hyrule A(young Link) after A Link to the Past.
2)Ages goes in Hyrule B(Adult Link) after Wind Waker.

But the two stories eventually link up as one so have to be in same timeline...
Yeah, that's where the timelines intersect, in the ending.
That's my theory

I got this idea from the "Gametrailers:Zelda Timeline" video

I wish that video had never been made. It's awful.
AwfulLY GREAT!

their timeline is genious!

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

their timeline is genious!

It's crap. And that's me putting it mildly. It's got bigger holes than a row of 24-hour-a-day prostitutes. Highlights of its suckage:

- Everyone knows that LA is a direct sequel to ALttP because this was the early days of Zelda when there wasn't so much buggering about with chronology. (It's even in the ruddy manual)
- What evidence is there that LoZ link is also the Hero of Time from OoT/MM? None. They made it up.
- ALttP doesn't come after LoZ/AoL. The box for ALttP describes Link and Zelda as predecessors to those in the first games.
- As I said, the Oracles are tied up as one story and so don't work if one is on one side of timeline and the other is on another.

[hello_echoes]

Agreed. Also, the game is entitled "A LINK to the PAST" which can be infered in one of two ways. The first: the game is a prequel, like EA said. Or it could be referring to the events in the IW, but given how WW messed the story of the IW up in AlttP the first interpretation is probably more plausible.

And the Game Trailers thing was fun at first, but the revealed details of TP throw that whole theory out the window. Besides, the whole OoX being the same game never made any sense for reasons already mentioned.

[Fairy penguin]

According to Gametrailers, the whole planet just magically unflooded and Hyrule was back. Great explanation, guys! As EA and HE said, its full of holes. However, TP can be forgiven because it wasn't released yet.

[hello_echoes]

However, TP can be forgiven because it wasn't released yet.

well yes, and they did disclaim that in their video. I just meant that the now revealed evils of TP totally trash their theory. Though I do believe in the split.