Seven NEW Deadly Sins

[Twilight Wolf]

There are seven new deadly sins

Some new deadly sins:

Working with embryonic stem cells
Selling drugs
Being exceedingly wealthy
Polluting the environment

So...let's see.  I think that covers all oil companies, every presidential candidate and politician in the US. 

Any thoughts on this?

I am surprised by the ultra-liberal stance of the Catholic Church on some things, and the ultraconservative stance on others. 

[Fleamo]

Jesus.






I admire people who do any of the above listed, with the possible exception of polluting the environment.

[Loki]

I admire people who do any of the above listed, with the possible exception of polluting the environment.

You admire drug dealers/users? lol


Yeah, this seems a bit excessive. But, whatever. It doesn't affect me so I don't really care that much.

[Fleamo]

I admire people who do any of the above listed, with the possible exception of polluting the environment.

You admire drug dealers/users? lol

Hey they work hard.




Also, one could call pharmacists "drug dealers" in the technical sense.  And they save lives.

[Be_yourself]

It has a sense of logic behind it, i mean, they are attempting to show the world some modern examples of what is a "sin" so that people may realize that what they are doing is not right and that Christianity is still relevant to modern society.

Since when were any of the oil companies, Presidential canditates or Politicians not sinners anyway?? Especially when it comes to the Catholic church's point of view.

Besides, most of those things would be considered "sins" in modern society anyway, with the exception of Stem cell research. From certain angles being exceptionly wealthy could be implying selfishness and greed, but mostly that wouldn't be counted by itself as a sin.

EDIT: i was kinda vague here, i think that this is, whilst somewhat stupid, not the usual hypocrisy that the Catholic church puts forward...

[NinJa]

I am for anything that helps society, if stem cells can aid in new findings, then have at it.

[Loki]

It has a sense of logic behind it, i mean, they are attempting to show the world some modern examples of what is a "sin" so that people may realize that what they are doing is not right and that Christianity is still relevant to modern society.

Since when were any of the oil companies, Presidential canditates or Politicians not sinners anyway?? Especially when it comes to the Catholic church's point of view.

Besides, most of those things would be considered "sins" in modern society anyway, with the exception of Stem cell research. From certain angles being exceptionly wealthy could be implying selfishness and greed, but mostly that wouldn't be counted by itself as a sin.

EDIT: i was kinda vague here, i think that this is, whilst somewhat stupid, not the usual hypocrisy that the Catholic church puts forward...

I read one article that stated that it's not necessarily redefining sin, just claiming that these are now officially worse than they were two days ago. Kind of.

But couldn't being obscenely rich just be counted as Greed anyway? Or, ya know, helpful to the unfortunate if you use your money to save lives? Maybe Pope Palpatine has been having to pay a little too much for his meds lately and he's just tired of it? lol Or maybe those black hooded cloaks and lightning effects are, in his eyes, "overpriced." *shrug*

I admire people who do any of the above listed, with the possible exception of polluting the environment.

You admire drug dealers/users? lol

Hey they work hard.

lol

Also, one could call pharmacists "drug dealers" in the technical sense.  And they save lives.

I think they meant drugs that are abused and harmful to the body.

And that might've been a bad move on their part anyway. In today's society, how many of the idiot teenagers that "hate God" do stuff just because they're not allowed to? That's probably just put more drug dealers on our streets, or raised the price of drugs.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

They don't exactly roll off the tongue like Sloth, Greed, Lust, etc, do they?

And how did they exactly get these OK'd by the Great Almighty? I can't be the only one who doesn't buy the idea that you can "modernise" God and throw in some whole new sins.

(And am I just being cynical thinking Pope Wotsit's hopped on the environmentally-friendly bandwagon? As much as I tease my housemates about them going to Hell for not recycling, I'm not being serious...)

[Loki]

(And am I just being cynical thinking Pope Wotsit's hopped on the environmentally-friendly bandwagon? As much as I tease my housemates about them going to Hell for not recycling, I'm not being serious...)

A different article had stated that JP2 was on the environmental-friendly boat, too, though. And that Palpatine has been on it for a while.

Also, I'm not sure it means just littering or not recycling. I think it's bigger stuff like making factories that really mess up the air.

[Fairy penguin]

Polluting the environment should be a sin. What right does anyone have to destroy life like that? Just because you don't live there doesn't make it all right to kill off the animals.

[Witless]

Polluting the environment should be a sin. What right does anyone have to destroy life like that? Just because you don't live there doesn't make it all right to kill off the animals.

And I'm sure you don't make use of public transportation or any other product that has been made in an non-ecological-friendly factory.

You admire drug dealers/users? lol

Well, they do keep the economy going, atleast have a big role in it.

Anyway, I don't see how being exceedingly wealthy makes you a sinner. Just because people like to give you money for some shit you've done, doesn't make it bad.

Is Hugh Hefner a sinner because he provides millions of men with pleasure through several mediums? I think not. He's offering a service to many who can only dream of something like that. Then again, I'm not religious so I don't have a problem with naked women on a piece of paper.

I too am pissed off at the guy who invented the paperclip and thinking: Why the hell didn't I ( or my ancestors think of that shit? But you don't see me making rules that depict such innovative ideas as sins.

[Loki]

Polluting the environment should be a sin. What right does anyone have to destroy life like that? Just because you don't live there doesn't make it all right to kill off the animals.

Hey, they're on our property. We have every right to treat them as trespassers if we so desire.

[chibimoon]

Working with embryonic stem cells

I don't see a problem with working with stem cells. The research can be used to treat diseases with no other forms of available treatment. The argument that starting a stem cell line requires the "killing" of a human embryo comes down to is an embryo considered human? I don't think so. Embryos have no mental capabilities and therefore can't be called human.

I think that covers all oil companies... 

Oil companies may be exceedingly wealthy due to the record oil price but they are becoming increasingly environmentally conscious and are implementing new policies (if they haven't already done so) to ensure their operations have as low an impact on the environment as possible. Offshore work must follow stringent government regulations and you won't believe how much red tape can be involved in getting drilling and production approval.

Plus there are new projects called geosequestration, which is where CO2 gas is captured from power plants, etc and injected downhole into depleted reservoirs for storage, to help lower greenhouse gas emissions.

[Twilight Wolf]

Oil companies may be exceedingly wealthy due to the record oil price but they are becoming increasingly environmentally conscious and are implementing new policies (if they haven't already done so) to ensure their operations have as low an impact on the environment as possible. Offshore work must follow stringent government regulations and you won't believe how much red tape can be involved in getting drilling and production approval.

Oil companies could also work to fund alternative fuels.  Fuels that are re-useable.  That harm the environment less.  But they don't, because they protect their own future interest.

And how did they exactly get these OK'd by the Great Almighty? I can't be the only one who doesn't buy the idea that you can "modernise" God and throw in some whole new sins.

The Catholic belief, last time I checked, is that the Pope speaks to God directly / is the voice of God on Earth.  That is to say, if the pope says something in regards to religion, it is interpreted to be, more or less, the will of God. 

[JordAnime]

The Catholic belief, last time I checked, is that the Pope speaks to God directly / is the voice of God on Earth.

It's a radio for talking to God. 

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  Anyway, is having sex with altar boys one of them?  ZING!

Well, I guess that'd fall under lust.  These new sins are too long to really be that great.  I mean the old seven deadly sins were like all encompassing and to be feared.  SLOTH!  GREED!  Oh and EXPERIMENTING EMBRYONIC STEAM CELLS!

Looting and polluting is not the way, here what Pope Ratzinger has to say!

[Fleamo]

Oil companies may be exceedingly wealthy due to the record oil price but they are becoming increasingly environmentally conscious and are implementing new policies (if they haven't already done so) to ensure their operations have as low an impact on the environment as possible. Offshore work must follow stringent government regulations and you won't believe how much red tape can be involved in getting drilling and production approval.

Oil companies could also work to fund alternative fuels.  Fuels that are re-useable.  That harm the environment less.  But they don't, because they protect their own future interest.

"Leading renewable energy companies include: Enercon, Gamesa, GE Energy, Q-Cells, Sharp Solar, SunOpta, and Vestas."
-Wikipedia, cited from an actual source

They are investing in renewable energy, because they can make money there too, but the technology isn't there yet.

[Twilight Wolf]

Oil companies may be exceedingly wealthy due to the record oil price but they are becoming increasingly environmentally conscious and are implementing new policies (if they haven't already done so) to ensure their operations have as low an impact on the environment as possible. Offshore work must follow stringent government regulations and you won't believe how much red tape can be involved in getting drilling and production approval.

Oil companies could also work to fund alternative fuels.  Fuels that are re-useable.  That harm the environment less.  But they don't, because they protect their own future interest.

"Leading renewable energy companies include: Enercon, Gamesa, GE Energy, Q-Cells, Sharp Solar, SunOpta, and Vestas."
-Wikipedia, cited from an actual source

They are investing in renewable energy, because they can make money there too, but the technology isn't there yet.

Enercon GmbH, based in Aurich, Northern Germany, is the third-largest wind turbine manufacturer in the world and the market leader in Germany for several years.

Gamesa Corporación Tecnológica (formerly Grupo Auxiliar Metalurgico, BMAD: GAM), is a manufacturing company mainly concerned with the fabrication of wind turbines and the construction of wind farms.

Established in 1999, Q-Cells is the world's second largest manufacturer of photovoltaic (PV) modules, after Sharp Solar.[1] Its core business is the development, production and marketing of high-quality mono- and multicrystalline photovoltaic cells.[2]

Sharp Solar produces both single and multi-crystalline solar cells and for some years has been the world's leading manufacturer of photovoltaic (PV) modules. Sharp's solar cells are used for many applications, from satellites to lighthouses, and industrial applications to residential use. Sharp began researching solar cells in 1959 with mass production first beginning in 1963. Production capacity amounted to 324 MW in 2004.[1][2]

SunOpta, Inc. (NASDAQ: STKL, TSX: SOY) is a public corporation located in Canada and founded in 1973. Its operations are divided between SunOpta Food (organics), Opta Minerals, and SunOpta BioProcess (bioethanol). SunOpta's fastest growing business segment is the BioProcess Group, which is a leading developer of technology in the cellulosic ethanol market.

Vestas is a Danish company that designs, manufactures, and sells wind turbines. Founded in 1945 by Peder Hansen from the small town of Lem with the name Vestjysk Stålteknik A/S, as a manufacturer of household appliances, the company progressed to the manufacture of agricultural equipment in 1950, intercoolers in 1956, hydraulic cranes in 1968, and began the manufacture of wind turbines in 1979.

The General Electric Company, or GE (NYSE: GE) is a multinational American technology and services conglomerate incorporated in the State of New York.[4]. In terms of market capitalization, GE is the world's second largest company and also second in the BrandZ ranking. In the 1960s, aspects of U.S. tax laws and accounting practices led to a rise in the assembly of conglomerates. GE, which was a conglomerate long before the term was coined, is arguably the most successful organization of this type.


Not one page search found oil, with the exception of "aircoil" on one.  Those are leading renewable energy companies, yes, but from whatwikipedia says, they don't have to deal with oil either, with the possible exception of General Electric. 

So how are oil companies investing?  Are they footing the bill?

[Fleamo]

Not one page search found oil, with the exception of "aircoil" on one.  Those are leading renewable energy companies, yes, but from whatwikipedia says, they don't have to deal with oil either, with the possible exception of General Electric. 

So how are oil companies investing?  Are they footing the bill?

Well that's funny and embarrassing.  Poorly researched examples.  I just found the first things that sounded like oil companies. 

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ACTUAL RESPONSE:

CHEVRON:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4716334.stm

Mr Robertson said that Chevron - is now selling "energy efficiency" and claimed the company is the biggest producer of geothermal energy in the world.

BP:

BP Alternative Energy is one of the top solar manufacturers in the world and has been growing this business since the 70s

We are planning to build some of the largest wind farms in the US.

SHELL:

In a little more than five years, Shell WindEnergy has become one of the world's largest wind power developers.

My point stands.  Now improved with actual examples!

[Almighty Tallest Red]

What exactly gives the church the right to say these are sins now? It reminds me allot of that bullcrap with Pluto "no longer being a planet". No one has the right to say what is and is not a "sin".

[Fleamo]

What exactly gives the church the right to say these are sins now? It reminds me allot of that bullcrap with Pluto "no longer being a planet". No one has the right to say what is and is not a "sin".

The church is the body which decides what are and aren't sins for their followers.  The scientific community defined "planet" and excluded Pluto for those who follow scientific norms, and the Catholic Church defines sin for Catholics.