Zim is being asked questions, AND HE DOES NOT LIKE IT AT ALL.

[Geneaux486]

"Yeah, me to!"

[Geneaux486]

Why didn't you ask me the Sarah Palin question you asked Fleamo?  IS IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU WON'T LIKE THE ANSWER!?

[Bidet to you sir]

I gave the only possible answers!
Sarah palin forming a political party can only lead to absolutely nothing happening, or massive changes to the political makeup of the nation!, even if she became big and won the presidency the country would go to shit because a previously almost entirely 2 party system would become a 2 party system!

HOW IS OBAMA LIBERAL IF HIS POLITICAL COMPASS SCORE (WIDELY REGARDED AS ACCURATE) PUTS HIM AS RIGHT WING?
IT PUTS HIM AS BOTH SOCIALLY AND ECONOMICALLY CONSERVATIVE!
Maybe less than MCCAIN, but he's still conservative!

[Geneaux486]

country would go to shit because a previously almost entirely 2 party system would become a 2 party system!

That's assuming it doesn't go to shit under our teleprompter in chief.

HOW IS OBAMA LIBERAL IF HIS POLITICAL COMPASS SCORE (WIDELY REGARDED AS ACCURATE) PUTS HIM AS RIGHT WING?

That is one busted-ass compass XD

[Bidet to you sir]

country would go to shit because a previously almost entirely 2 party system would become a 2 party system!

That's assuming it doesn't go to shit under our teleprompter in chief.

HOW IS OBAMA LIBERAL IF HIS POLITICAL COMPASS SCORE (WIDELY REGARDED AS ACCURATE) PUTS HIM AS RIGHT WING?

That is one busted-ass compass XD

It's not it just doesn't take the ridiculously warped ideas of what left and right are in the US.
For example it puts the BNP as economically liberal (although close to centre) and only socially right wing because they're fascists.



The limits he's put on banks and his social liberalism are not enough to put him as liberal, no matter how much you want it to be the case.

[Bidet to you sir]

Thats the political compass of every democrat senator.
Still think the democrats are a liberal party?


All repub senators.
Not a huge difference in political ideology, however do you notice that the republican senators are closer to the fringe?


Thats me by the way.

[Geneaux486]

Still think the democrats are a liberal party?

Yep, and I also still think that's one busted-ass compass.  Also Obama is still one to.

[hisak]

Thats me by the way.

No that would make you a communist.

[Bidet to you sir]

Still think the democrats are a liberal party?

Yep, and I also still think that's one busted-ass compass.  Also Obama is still one to.

Well that means you dissagree with experts, the democrats are not that economically left wing at all, and when it comes to social liberalism they are much less so than members of truly liberal parties like the socialist party.

Just because you don't like to think of democrats as a right wing party, they are. They may be the US's centre left party and the republicans centre right, but the ideology of the democrat party is clearly that of a centre right party and the republican party that of a far right party.

[Bidet to you sir]

Thats me by the way.

No that would make you a communist.

No, not exactly, it would make me a socialist, which I consider myself.
The test isn't perfect, I'll grant NH that, but to actually consider the democrats a truly left wing party is honestly ridiculous, they support some liberal ideas but economically they are not fully socialist hence why you have such trouble passing universal health care bills etc.
They've also come to accept the third way branch of politics which means that many democrats take a mixture of both left and right wing policies.

Admittedly I hit the strongly dissagree and agrees more than the dissagree and agree boxes.
But the fact is, the dems are not a very liberal party, they are centre right in reality, centre left if you really want to push it, but you have to really overblow the level of economic control they really want to take.
If obama was truly left wing he would try to bring in true universal health care, would fight against DOMA would try to push through much tighter controls on the banking system and big business.
And well the US is the most ultra capitalist free market country there is, any party in power has to be right wing simply to be in power, the second a truly liberal party got significant votes, big business would try to crush them because they hate being told what to do.
Funnily enough because they're never told what to do and actually tell politicians what to do is why we're in a recession.

Think of all the over the top smears the medical associations make over any attempt to bring in free healthcare, even evoking godwins law etc.
A main argument I've seen in the US press is that nazi's supported universal health care, what they usually fail to point out is that the majority of europe has free healthcare, and other countries have atleast affordable healthcare.
The main thing these countries usually have in common?
A higher life expectancy.

And well, if you're going to consider Europe and Canada as being similar to a nazi state, you really pushing propaganda and scaremongering to keep yourself in control, funnily enough an action a fascist organisation would probably take.

[Geneaux486]

Well that means you dissagree with experts

And as we all know, experts are infallible just because they're experts.
I remember an expert political scientist once going on TV and saying John Kerry was definetely going to win the presidential election.  Someone needs to alert the White House right away, this country owes Kerry some major termage.

Just because you don't like to think of democrats as a right wing party, they are.

Well alright, let me rephrase my point.  It's not like I go "Every member of the democrat party is liberal and I disagree with them all 100%", that would be stupid.  I see it person by person, from Barney Frank to Barrak Obama.  Politicians do openly idetify themselves as liberal or conservative, and in my opinion that overrules any test.  I mean, I call myself a conservative, but does that mean I agree with every single conservative belief 100%?  Of course not.  

Furthermore, that compass of yours has the red and blue colors swapped around.  This is exactly why it's easier to just go with the elephant and donkey.  They look distinctly different unless you drastically starve one and dangerously overfeed the other, and, shit, even then you can still tell by the nose.

[Twilight Wolf]

Actually, NH, being red used to mean being a commie.  It swapped last decade or so. 

[Geneaux486]

Actually, NH, being red used to mean being a commie.  It swapped last decade or so. 

Point being it swapped.

[Bidet to you sir]

Actually, NH, being red used to mean being a commie.  It swapped last decade or so.  

Point being it swapped.

How are the colours swapped, the dems are blue, the republicans are in red.
Unless you mean the quadrants on the compass, and well I wasn't aware that the colours on the quadrants were meant to symbolise anything.
Plus if they are don't be so americocentrist, the political compass takes an international approach.
If it was from an american standpoint only the republicans would be considerred a centre right party and the dems a centre left party, but well theres a big old world out there where politics works in a different and in some, not all cases better way.

[Geneaux486]

Blah blah blah, I know all that, it was a joke. 

[Bidet to you sir]

Well, I didn't really see any humour, otherwise I would have laughed.
Maybe you were using humor instead?

[Geneaux486]

Furthermore, that compass of yours has the red and blue colors swapped around.  This is exactly why it's easier to just go with the elephant and donkey.  They look distinctly different unless you drastically starve one and dangerously overfeed the other, and, shit, even then you can still tell by the nose.

This nonsense came off as serious to you?  That aside, I'll be americocentrist if I damn well please.  I have the freedom to do that.  IN AMERICA!

Incidentally, one of my favorite lines in Fallout 3 may be the Nathan NPC referring to the Enclave as "People comma we the".

[Beh]

Incidentally, one of my favorite lines in Fallout 3 may be the Nathan NPC referring to the Enclave as "People comma we the".

Lol'd when I heard that one. He sounds like my grandpa.

[Quijo]

1. What do you think of anarcho-socialism?
2. What evidence is there for the existence of Batman?
3. You're at uni now, right? (if so, where?)

[Bidet to you sir]

1. What do you think of anarcho-socialism?
2. What evidence is there for the existence of Batman?
3. You're at uni now, right? (if so, where?)

1) it's what I wish was possible, but it's not, I prefer the term libertarian socialism.
2) Plenty, if you count a fictional being as having existence.
3)Why on earth do you need to know?, I think forum life becomes much less complicated when the most you really know is a vague idea of where each other lives.