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« #163200 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Communisms become an unfortunately loaded term, originally there was little to no distinction between the 2, hence why Marx so freely used the term communist, while hardly being an authoritarian.

The only real distinct difference was in Leninism which usually referred to a workers state as socialist and a classist state as communist, of course that all got very muddled, and the terms were still largely used interchangeably.

"Communism" eventually got linked with the eastern bloc and china, and socialism with western leftists.

Left-communism and Euro-communism etc, as well as anarcho-communists/socialists have very little to do with the communism of Stalin and the USSR, but it would be disingenous to say they're not communists.

Basically Communism and socialism used to mean the same thing, now they don't because stalin fucked that all up for everyone.

When I refer to myself as a socialist I'm being very broad, I have mass contradictions even with my own statements, due to inherent differences in different socialist thought, socialist is just an easy label, I don't neccessarily agree with many socialist groups on very key points.

Probably the reason this is so common amongst leftists:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE</a>

FUCKING SPLITTERS!

Edit: just to make it clear

British socialist parties:
Respect
Socialist Party
Socialist Workers Party
Socialist Party Of Great Britain
Communist Party of Britain
Communist Party of Britain (marxist leninist)
Socialist Resistance
Solidarity
New Communist Party
Militant

Some of those are members of TUSC (trade union and socialist coalition) but still...
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« #163201 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Very interesting. I want to see if these kinds of ideologies ever gain traction in America by the end of my lifetime.
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Offline Bidet to you sir

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« #163202 on: May 20, 2012 »

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I should point out, Respect is the only one of those parties with a single seat.

We're not uncommon, but most of the socialists in the country vote labour in an effort to somehow improve the party...

It never works.
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« #163203 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Are there socialists who run as Labour candidates? (Apologies if I'm not using the right terminology.)
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Offline Bidet to you sir

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« #163204 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Some, they end up as backbenchers (they sit at the back of the house of commons, unlike the cabinet/shadow cabinet which sit at the front) and never have any power.

Tony Benn was the last real socialist in the Labour party with any clout, Ken livingstone (ex mayor of london) is a small s socialist, but better than most.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNXfXtH96A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNXfXtH96A</a>

None of these people are socilists, they've increased capitalist private investment in all areas of society.
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« #163205 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Is Bernie Sanders a real socialist?
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Offline Bidet to you sir

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« #163206 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Possibly? he says a lot of good things, probably a social democrat more than a democratic socialist, as many more strongly socialist people would have a lot of problems with siding with the democrats.

It depends, there are both reformist and revolutionary socialists.

Most revolutionary socialists are reformists as well (until such time a revolution, peaceful or not, as personal politics determines can occur).

Personally while certain things obviously stop someone from being a socialist, and many socialists often say unsocialist liberal things, I give people the benefit of the doubt until they do something utterly unsocialist.




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« #163207 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Dudes, why is the site so slow?
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« #163208 on: May 20, 2012 »

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Summer!
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« #163215 on: May 20, 2012 »

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You know nothing, Adam Undiluted Awesome.
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« #163216 on: May 21, 2012 »

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« #163217 on: May 21, 2012 »

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Why am I awake.
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« #163218 on: May 21, 2012 »

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« #163219 on: May 21, 2012 »

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You both wanted to see the Skyfall trailer before me?
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