Nintendo Admits Defeat!

[hisak]

...Well, not really. But they are cutting the price of the Wii to $199.99 at the end of the month.


See?

Nintendo hasn't commented on the matter yet but it seems pretty legitimate to me.

[Geneaux486]

Awesome, now all they need to do is crank out some incentive for those of us who already own one to power it up again.

[mikenike]

i bought mine for less brand new a couple days after it came out.....weird, but arent they making like an updated wii or controller or something like that? if so link plz?

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

Nintendo Admits Defeat!

Drama queen.

The UK had a price rise a couple of months back. But this only really affected the retailers - and most are still asking for less than the RRP. Funny old world. 

Awesome, now all they need to do is crank out some incentive for those of us who already own one to power it up again.

I'll let someone else post the usual "You must be excited about these games by now" list...

i bought mine for less brand new a couple days after it came out.....weird, but arent they making like an updated wii or controller or something like that? if so link plz?

Google: MotionPlus.

[Geneaux486]

I'll let someone else post the usual "You must be excited about these games by now" list...

Hit me.  Admittedly I stopped following Nintendo a few months back, so if there are some good games on the horizon, I'm all ears.

[Bidet to you sir]

Man the last good game I played was okami, and that was a 2007 ps2 port.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

Hit me.  Admittedly I stopped following Nintendo a few months back, so if there are some good games on the horizon, I'm all ears.

For starters, the holy trinity of Mario, Metroid and Zelda could all get an airing in 2010. Mario's got New Super Mario Bros Wii coming up this Christmas (which looks great if you can find other people to play with and take full advantage of the expansive worlds) and then a return to Galaxy early in the New Year. Team Ninja's Other M looks set to marry the best bits of the Prime series with the classic adventuring that came before them, and with their reputation for hardcore experiences it's got to be high on the list of those left jaded by Ninty's diverse audience approach. Zelda Wii might be a bit more of a long shot for fitting in to the 2010 schedule, but it could happen. We know it's coming though, and we know it's got Motion Plus.

Speaking of Motion Plus, if you haven't tried it out already to see where Nintendo can take motion control next, pick up Wii Sports Resort. The new level of interaction will feel like a new beginning for the controls and hopefully get you excited for the likes of Red Steel 2 (allowing Ubisoft to do everything they wanted to do in the original - and more), No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle (Suda 51 has stated he wants to integrate the device into the gameplay, might still happen) and The Grinder (where High Voltage will be looking to go from 'respectable' reviews to more impressive ones).

Even more titles that have caught my attention and may well drain my wallet:
- Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles (more use for the Wii Zapper, more Leon Kennedy),
- Trauma Team (the devilishly difficult medical adventure that started out on DS gets a new format with six playable characters),
- Endless Ocean 2 (underwater sim gets a proper plot and a dose more action),
- A Boy And His Blob (NES action puzzler re-imagined, and charmingly so, on Wii),
- Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing (exactly what you'd expect it to be),
- Super Monkey Ball: Step and Roll (an excuse for gamers to get the Balance Board?)

Haven't even thought about Wii Ware...

Man the last good game I played was okami, and that was a 2007 ps2 port.

So you've ignored Little King's Story, Punch Out, Wario Land, De Blob, Sports Resort, Battalion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3 (and the Trilogy)?

Also, and finally, going back to the original post Nintendo says "No". Though we've heard the "rumour and speculation" line before...

[Geneaux486]

That actually is a pretty nice lineup.  Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing makes me nervous, but that's only because I've played Sonic R.  If you've ever wondered what it would be like if Sega made a game where Sonic and his pals got hammered and decided it would be fun to see who could stagger and stumble across a race track the fastest, yeah, Sonic R.

[hupla]

That actually is a pretty nice lineup.  Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing makes me nervous, but that's only because I've played Sonic R.  If you've ever wondered what it would be like if Sega made a game where Sonic and his pals got hammered and decided it would be fun to see who could stagger and stumble across a race track the fastest, yeah, Sonic R.

It had an awesome ass soundtrack

[Geneaux486]

Yes it did.

[Shin Illuminated]

Nice list there Count...but you left out Muramasa.

Seriously people, play this game. Rent it, borrow it, steal it...it doesn't matter (well, don't steal it).

It's fun, try it before complaining.

And Zim, we get it...Okami is a PS2 Port...we all know. You can stop telling us that.

[DarkLink]

What port is Okami for, Zim? XP

[GamePunk429]

Hit me.  Admittedly I stopped following Nintendo a few months back, so if there are some good games on the horizon, I'm all ears.

For starters, the holy trinity of Mario, Metroid and Zelda could all get an airing in 2010. Mario's got New Super Mario Bros Wii coming up this Christmas (which looks great if you can find other people to play with and take full advantage of the expansive worlds) and then a return to Galaxy early in the New Year. Team Ninja's Other M looks set to marry the best bits of the Prime series with the classic adventuring that came before them, and with their reputation for hardcore experiences it's got to be high on the list of those left jaded by Ninty's diverse audience approach. Zelda Wii might be a bit more of a long shot for fitting in to the 2010 schedule, but it could happen. We know it's coming though, and we know it's got Motion Plus.

Speaking of Motion Plus, if you haven't tried it out already to see where Nintendo can take motion control next, pick up Wii Sports Resort. The new level of interaction will feel like a new beginning for the controls and hopefully get you excited for the likes of Red Steel 2 (allowing Ubisoft to do everything they wanted to do in the original - and more), No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle (Suda 51 has stated he wants to integrate the device into the gameplay, might still happen) and The Grinder (where High Voltage will be looking to go from 'respectable' reviews to more impressive ones).

Even more titles that have caught my attention and may well drain my wallet:
- Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles (more use for the Wii Zapper, more Leon Kennedy),
- Trauma Team (the devilishly difficult medical adventure that started out on DS gets a new format with six playable characters),
- Endless Ocean 2 (underwater sim gets a proper plot and a dose more action),
- A Boy And His Blob (NES action puzzler re-imagined, and charmingly so, on Wii),
- Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing (exactly what you'd expect it to be),
- Super Monkey Ball: Step and Roll (an excuse for gamers to get the Balance Board?)

Haven't even thought about Wii Ware...

Man the last good game I played was okami, and that was a 2007 ps2 port.

So you've ignored Little King's Story, Punch Out, Wario Land, De Blob, Sports Resort, Battalion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3 (and the Trilogy)?

Also, and finally, going back to the original post Nintendo says "No". Though we've heard the "rumour and speculation" line before...

You also forgot about Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers which looks amazing from the trailer that I have seen. It's coming out this December I believe.

[Shin Illuminated]

You also forgot about Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers which looks amazing from the trailer that I have seen. It's coming out this December I believe.

December 26, if you can believe it.

Really? The 26th? Talk about missing the point.

[Bidet to you sir]

So you've ignored Little King's Story, Punch Out, Wario Land, De Blob, Sports Resort, Battalion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3 (and the Trilogy)?

In order:
Didn't interest me.
Didn't interest me.
Didn't interest me.
Didn't interest me.
Sucks.
Didn't interest me.
I don't like metroid.

Now to list games I have played recently and enjoyed, and games I hope to play soon:
Batman Arkham Asylum.
Fallout 3.
Mirrors Edge.
Miles edgeworth investigations.
Both professor laytons when I have the money.
Okami.
Phoenix wright 3.
Notice that all but one of those I played on a ps3 or DS.
The wii is awful, and the ps3 is worth it.
The tides turned after the first year.
Deal with it.
Also, all console zeldas will be mediocre from now on, much like twilight princess, and actually I didn't like OOT.
The handhelds will decline soon as well.
Nintendo at the moment they're only surviving on the early sales to hardcore gamers and the constant trickle of housewives buying wii fit.
If they bring out another wii, they will become what every fanboy claims they're not, a company that makes toys for babies.
They need to do what the other guys are doing if they want to retain any form of a reputation, they need high power graphics and processing power and a large third party catalogue.
Not a bunch of party games.
But no, they've decided they don't need a good reputation, as long as they can sell party games that people only play at christmas.
God it's almost as if nintendo has become the parker brothers and the wii is an old copy of monopoly.

[Shin Illuminated]

That's a rather...crappy view point.

Man, you're a pretty dull fellow when it comes to game choices, I imagine.

"Oh, no...these games don't have excessive violence and almost realistic graphics...it sucks!"

And the whole Wii is for babies and housewives thing is a gross misconception toted by those who can't really be bothered by games because they're not "pretty enough" for the "hardcore gamer", a term which is also way misused and thrown around these days.

This reminds me of a conversation I've had with a friend of mine recently.

Nintendo at the moment they're only surviving on the early sales to hardcore gamers and the constant trickle of housewives buying wii fit.

Prove it.

Obviously, your personal preference is fine. If you don't like anything its ok for you, but don't try using your personal opinion as a description for an entire demographic.


And one final note...if you had no interest in at least Punch-Out, then you have no soul. Either that or a very deprived childhood.

[Bidet to you sir]

The best selling wii game other than wii sports or wii play is wii fit.
Seeing as one of those comes with the console and the other comes with an extra controller I think that's pretty much a taken.
Did you even read my list? Last time I checked okami and the ace attorney series (my favourite series atm) aren't over charged or violent.

And the whole Wii is for babies and housewives thing is a gross misconception toted by those who can't really be bothered by games because they're not "pretty enough" for the "hardcore gamer", a term which is also way misused and thrown around these days.

That used to be the case, it isn't anymore.
If you don't count the first party games the top selling 3rd party games are guitar hero (actually ok), sports island (a party game), Game party (another crappy party game), Big brain academy (oh my!) EA sports active (yeah! wooo best game ever!) and carnival games.
I'd like to point out that they outrank resident evil 4 and metroid prime 3.
Yeah.
And well lets list the top 10 first party games.
Wii sports (FAAAANTASSSSSTINNNCCCC.....for about 3 minutes)
Wii play (awful, bought for the extra wiimote)
Wii fit (not even a damn game)
Mario kart wii (Not as good as double dash or even the DS version)
Super smash bros brawl (not as good as melee)
Super mario galaxy (the first good game in the list.)
Mario party 8 (this game is awful....sooooo awful)
Twilight princess ( Good, but only as good as every other damn zelda game, no originality what so ever, ridiculous considering the series is 23 years old)
Crossbow training (yeah, a minigame game, good stuff)

Notice, 4 I repeat FOUR of the top 10 FIRST PARTY games are crappy party games and fitness crap.
And the rest are simply continuations of a series with little change.
Let us now look at the top 10 ps3 games:
Gran turismo 5 (awful...admittedly)
Motorstorm (yet again awful)
Ok so the first 2 are racing games...thats a shame now lets look at the next 8.
MGS 4 (a good game, quite innovative)
GTA IV ( a good game, clever well thought out, and actual expands on gameplay)
Uncharted drakes fortune (probably the best game of it's genre in a decade)
Resistance fall of man (an fps with an original story, clever new weapons better than metroid by a huge stretch)
Res evil 5 (not the best in the series, but it has an interesting new dynamic atleast and knows how to change with the years)
Heavenly sword (I will admit, I have not played this)
Killzone 2 (this game is a fantastic fps and has great online play)
Motorstorm again (wtf)
Ratchet and clank tools of destruction (a platformer on par with the mario series)

This is the thing, all those wii games were either poor copies of previous games with wii controls thrown on, or party games.
You can't say that about the ps3, the DS, the PSP, the Xbox 360 (even if it is dominated by fps's)
They actually innovate, the wii does not.
I also would like to point out that only 1 of the games in EA's list is even in the top 20, and thats metroid prime 3, and thats below game party.
And trust me, thats bad, it is probably the worst game I've played...ever.

The fact is, it's not about graphics, the graphics do matter to an extent, but the last time I went to my local games shop the wii shelf was filled to the brim with crappy party games and the top ranking games on the list were no way near as good as the ps3 alternatives, in fact, let's take sales out, lets go by ranking, I'll use top ten reviews for this.
1. super mario galaxy
2.twilight princess
3.ssbb
4 metroid prime 3
5. res evil 4 (a port)
6.Tiger woods
7. Punchout
8.Okami (a port)
9.megaman 9
10.world of goo

Now let us compare with the ps3.
1.GTA IV
2. Lil big planet
3. MGS4
4. TES 4 Oblivion
5. COD 4
6. Killzone 2.
7. Rock band.
8. street fighter 2
9. street fighter 4.
10. resistance

Now the xbox.
1. GTA 4
2. Bioshock
3. The orange box
4.cod 4
5. TES 4
6. Rock band
7. Gears of war.
8. braid
9. Halo 3.
10. Guitar hero 2.

Honestly 4 of the top 10 wii games are almost identical copies of the previous installation of the series.
1 of them is a golf game, 1 of them is a remake, 2 of them are ports. Thats 7 out of 10 of them.
Nintendo has no originality left.

 

[Shin Illuminated]

Yeah...because GTA IV was a BIG difference from all the other GTA games.

out of the PS3 list I only played 3 of those games...the rest...meh.

Lets face it...whenever you buy a new console theirs basically only really a handful of games you actually get for it...and their basically just sequels of games you bought on the previous system.

Final Fantasy anyone? What about GTA? what...another CoD game? No, I did not see that coming at all. Wait...you mean to tell me that there's gonna be another game based on WWII? For reals? And oh look, XBOX has yet another FPS. Yet no one ever sees that and just basically accuses Nintendo of doing the same thing over and over again, but in reality, it happens everywhere. Just not in the eyes of fanmen I guess. I'm not saying Nintendo is immune to these things...but neither is anyone else.

Every once and awhile you'll get something new and original, but guess whats gonna happen...you're basically gonna get a sequel to that game in the future on a new system. And even then it will just end up being an innovation on something that's already happened before.  And its gonna be like this until AI finally overruns and kills us all.

So enjoy it while it lasts.

[Geneaux486]

That's a rather...crappy view point.

Man, you're a pretty dull fellow when it comes to game choices, I imagine.

"Oh, no...these games don't have excessive violence and almost realistic graphics...it sucks!"

And the whole Wii is for babies and housewives thing is a gross misconception toted by those who can't really be bothered by games because they're not "pretty enough" for the "hardcore gamer", a term which is also way misused and thrown around these days.

This reminds me of a conversation I've had with a friend of mine recently.

I kind of agree with him though, a great many of the big games I had been waiting for, indeed the reasons I bought a Wii a week after its launch, underwhelmed me a great deal.  Now, to be fair, the games I'm talking about are games like Smash Brothers, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 3, which all have something in common.  That being that the level of improvement between other installments (i.e. Smash Brothers to Melee, Animal Crossing Gamecube to Wild World, etc.) was friggin' massive.  Brawl and City Folk (again, just using them as examples) fine-tuned a few things, but it was still too much like playing the game that came before it.  Even games like Mario Party 8 or Mario Kart seemed like they could have been made a lot better than they were.  I couldn't really get into Twilight Princess either, but I loved Wind Waker.  I'm also one of the few peopel I know that likes Super Mario Sunshine.  Basically, if Nintendo sticks with what it's good at, which is innovation, putting out unique ideas, (I'm having trouble finding the right words here), and they don't half-ass anything, they'll do just fine.  The Wii is kind of hit or miss with me, because most of the games I've played have an interesting use for the Wiimote, but they don't follow through with it as much as they should.  And keep in mind that the last new Wii game I played was Animal Crossing City Folk, so nothing released after that factors into this post.  Also Fallout 3 is an amazing game.

[Ezlo's Apprentice]

Zim yet again takes on the form of the tired, jaded internet monster that I come across all too often. And this is just looking at the first post (Can try tackle the other list-heavy post tomorrow. I'm sleepy. Sue me.):

They need a large third party catalogue.

You - and a painfully high number of gamers like you - ignore the best efforts of the third parties and wonder why they barely offer support for the Wii and DS? Nintendo have built some bridges with the third parties after a rough couple of generations. Now the fanbase need to lend them a hand. The "hardcore gamer" (a term I'm growing to loathe) dismisses the quirky and original, holding out largely for the next FPS or hack/slash/smash/race em up. How much did you look into the titles I listed earlier before dismissing them?

Nintendo've decided they don't need a good reputation, as long as they can sell party games that people only play at christmas.

... Wrong. Unfortunately, while third parties are trying their best to keep core gamers happy on Wii, they are also the ones cashing in on the ignorance of the casual gamer with the party games. It's not like some of them have much choice. While the casual gamer could be better educated (and retailers are hardly helping the situation by bundling the console with the likes of Carnival Games and Sports Island) the problem in my opinion lies with the members of the core Nintendo fanbase, who are largely such blinkered bastards (see previous point) that the foolishness of the party-game loving casual player is the only way third parties can hope to make a buck. Aim for the dummies who don't know better.

... they need high power graphics and processing power

One look at Okami, Zack and Wiki, Wario Land, A Boy and His Blob and Muramasa demonstrates that high definition graphics are not as important as people seem determined to make them. Developers are getting the most out of the system with some of the most unique graphical stylings on any consoles available. It doesn't matter a pigeon's dick how realistic things look. The Wii will, in all likelihood, go high-definition one day. However, this will (and should) only be when the technology is financially viable for Nintendo and the consumer. I don't want to have to get a second job to buy a system. That's baloney. It means less time for gaming.

Nintendo at the moment they're only surviving on the early sales to hardcore gamers and the constant trickle of housewives buying wii fit.

Making $40m in profit is "surviving"? Sure, it's 61% down on the same period the previous year, but all belts are being tightened. And 21 million is one hell of a trickle. *insert plumber joke here* A unique idea latching on to one of the biggest obsessions of the casual audience is clever marketing work to me. And being a steady-seller, it should allow Nintendo to pump money into the production-heavy prodcuts that matter.

Also, three of Nintendo's big four core titles so far on Wii (Galaxy, Twilight and Brawl - with Corruption the unfortunate exception which may be corrected with Trilogy) outperformed their equivalents from last generation in terms of sales.

If they bring out another wii, they will become what every fanboy claims they're not, a company that makes toys for babies.

Nintendo team up with Team Ninja to make Metroid: Other M, yet are still on course to become a company of toy-makers. Internet, you never disappoint.

The handhelds will decline soon as well.

Heard that one for the last couple of years. And yet, I've got four new DS titles on my shopping list. One for each month, for the rest of the year (and this is on top of already-released titles I need to add to my 40-something collection). The DSi has overcome an initially skeptical unveiling to reasonable sales, and developers are already exploring the systems potential, particularly in terms of DSiWare (see hupla's Shantae thread).