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Offline alexkenny

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« on: June 18, 2010 »

This is a facebook argument that JUST finished on my friends status! I just wanted you guys to see it. It's... interesting... lol. Any questions? Comments?

Paris Baker Cocke Ocarina of Time is better than Majora's Mask
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Sam Santa Marina ....poop
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Alex David Kenny Fuck no. Majora's Mask fucking Ownz Oot
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Alex David Kenny its way harder, a darker game, better maps and dungeons and a WAY better story. with great music.
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Jack Lyle Richards noo chance Oot pwns MM big time
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Alex David Kenny NOOOOO. why does everyone like Oot more?!
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Jack Lyle Richards because MM is limited by its story, you have to follow the line or you have to start all over
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Sam Santa Marina Ok, break from my new vocab: MM is MUCH better than OoT, it's deeper, it's more of a challenge, OoT was for much more simple people, MM was so much better.
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Alex David Kenny LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE^^^^
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Alex David Kenny And jack.... thats what made MM so much better. its story and gameplay structure.
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Paris Baker Cocke MM does not OWN OoT. It is in no way a better story than Ocarina of Time. Nothing is harder than the water temple. A darker game means a better game? and Majora's Mask music is FROM Ocarina of time.
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Jack Lyle Richards MM was easier for me actually...though i will agree MM's story is WAY better
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Jack Lyle Richards You have no freedom to roam in MM, it's constraining
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Paris Baker Cocke I like Ocarina of Time's story better because it actually has Zelda in it. Ya know. Since the games are called: The Legend of Zelda.
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Alex David Kenny Not all of it. lots of it is indie to the game. but yes, i gotta agree on the water temple..... but in MM you actually felt EMOTIONS. like sadness, fright, and even adventurous!
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Sam Santa Marina Music means nothing for a game, gameplay wise, it was better, story wise it was more of a challenge, it was limited by it's story, yes, but that's what made it great.
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Alex David Kenny agreed
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Paris Baker Cocke I'll have to disagree. The limitations made it boring
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Sam Santa Marina I guess it's matter of OPINION, but I know MM was better, fuck opinions with that. It was flat out great, OoT was too, but not as much as MM
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Paris Baker Cocke Who doesn't want to ride through Hyrule field riding Epona?
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Jack Lyle Richards YES PARIS YES!
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Jack Lyle Richards its limitations made it annoying because of the fact that you'd have to start all over after a relatively short period of time
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Paris Baker Cocke I love both of the games, but Ocarina of Time will always be my fave
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Jack Lyle Richards same, and lets let the topic die now *Grabs his switch blade*
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Alex David Kenny The thing about Ocarina of time was NAVI. Not just her, but links speed. Lots of fans (me included) hated how link was so slow in OOT but much faster in its processors like WW and TP. MM wasnt really an issue even though just as slow, but there was less walking to do. you got epona way earlier too.

im not gonna disagree. Ocarina of Time was fucking amazing. On my top 10 best games of all time. (You know what? Im putting a status up about that!) But I just thought Majora's mask was like a book. A book you could see, but not like a movie. you get it? like enough description like in a book. just not like a movie. you get it?
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Sam Santa Marina Ok, topic is ending on this note:

Majora's Mask pwns the fuck out of Ocarina of Time
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Alex David Kenny Lol sorry i had to take the time for that one.
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Offline River Devil

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« #1 on: June 23, 2010 »

This is debate that can rage on forever.  It's just a matter of what game you had a better experience playing.  Of course you're going point out "flaws" of the one you like less, and you'll build-up elements of the one you like more.

Having said that...

I feel OoT is the superior game.  It was ground-breaking and revolutionary.  Great music.  Great story.  Better temple design.  Better overworld.  It's flaws are few and far between.  It set the groundwork for all subsequent Zelda games.  MM owes it's existence to OoT.

MM is actually one of my lesser favorite console games.  I didn't like it to the point where it's the only one I didn't finish.  I got bored with it.  It felt like a rushed hack of OoT that couldn't find it's own identity.  It's like, it wanted to be OoT, but it wanted to be it's own thing too.  Plus, since OoT came out first, it had a chance to see the few flaws OoT had and correct them, but still fell flat.  How come when you go back in time you lose your rupees, deku stick and seeds, but you don't lose any masks?  Why do I have to "slow down time" as soon as I go back in time to make sure I have enough to complete tasks - why not just make that the standard rate?  Why is Tatl such a bitch?  I'll take Navi's occasional annoying "Hey's" over a disrespectful partner anyday.  This game also introduced Tingle.  There is no redemption for that.

And concerning emotions, I felt plenty of emotions playing through OoT.  I felt the sadness of Saria when Link leaves Kokiri Forest the first time or at the end when Zelda sends Link back in time.  I felt afraid ascending the long staircase up Ganon's Tower knowing what would be at the top.  I felt outright fear when Ganondorf transformed and was introduced to us as "GANON".  And through the entire game, I felt adventurous.  How could you not feel adventurous?

And then there's the small fact that OoT is quite often brought up as the greatest game of all time - something I have yet to see MM be considered.   

But, to end on a compromising note, I think it's incorrect to say either game "pwns" the other.  If anything, one game may "just barely inch out" over the other.
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Offline JordAnime

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« #2 on: June 23, 2010 »

I feel OoT is the superior game.

Ocarina of Time is a more epic experience, arguably a more fulfilling title with respect to its size and story; it's definitely the pinnacle of traditional Zelda.  But I don't think traditional Zelda is always the best Zelda.  There's a lot of reasons why Majora's Mask is a better game; it's more challenging, has a fantastic core concept, ultimate a more rewarding and deep experience. 

It's the only Zelda games where the side missions have as much weight as dungeons, and what you do between dungeons can actually be better than the dungeons themselves, which says a lot because I think all the four dungeons are a significant upgrade over any of the dungeons in Ocarina of Time. 

It's got a lot of character, atmosphere and mood, and I think is all in all the smarter game; but for those who don't like change and prefer the same story retold with a slight twist I guess Ocarina of Time would be better.  Oh plus it is pretty hard, it's really more of the thinking man's Zelda, whereas Ocarina of Time basically holds your hand the whole way through. 

It set the groundwork for all subsequent Zelda games.  MM owes it's existence to OoT.

...and Ocarina of Time owes its existence to A Link to the Past, which owes its existence to the NES Zeldas, which owe their existence to the hundreds of video games before it...

In other words, it's a totally moot point.  While I give Ocarina of Time all the credit in the world for being a breakthrough game, Majora's Mask managed to improve the system. 

I also gotta say, your so-called complaints about Majora's Mask are just stupid nitpicks.  Why don't you lose key items?  Well let's think about that for a moment; if you lost all your key items, you'd have to do everything all over again.  Would you rather have that?  You lose minor items because they're so ubiquitous. 

As for the slowing time, since you only have to do it at the start of a cycle, it's really doesn't make a difference.You know what is annoying?  Playing the Wind's Requiem EVERY TIME you want to change the direction of the wind in The Wind Waker.  THAT'S annoying.  Inverted Song of Time every couple of hours, not so annoying. 

Tatl's got spunk, it's part of her character and it's amusing, also it furthers her character development, she starts out as a trouble maker who has to team up with Link out of desperation, but grows to become a valued friend and ally to Link.  It gives the game a little more humanity. 

Tingle in concept isn't a bad character, he's basically bizzaro Link if you take time to think about it, and since you're sort of in a weird, alternate dimension in Majora's Mask, it makes sense for there to be an anti-Link.  Plus, he was very limited in his role in Majora's Mask to the point where I was just perplexed by his oddness.

Once again, you can look to the Wind Waker for throwing him in your face, making him a million times more annoying and integral, and well, just cementing him in the Zelda mythos.

And then there's the small fact that OoT is quite often brought up as the greatest game of all time - something I have yet to see MM be considered. 

Actually if you read EGM's second listing of the top 100 games of all time Ocarina of Time ranked in at 8 and Majora's Mask at 7.  Ocarina of Time is probably a more important game, but I don't really think it's a better note.  More importantly, top games of all times lists are typically stupid and arbitrary and the result of a lot of internal politics of the organization that's compiling it.  More often then not you'll see Super Mario Bros./Tetris/The Original Zelda as Number 1, Ocarina of Time has kinda lost its repute as of late.

That being said I think both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are both brilliant titles that very easily complement each other and are my two favorite entries in the series.  I used to be in the Ocarina of Time camp, but having only fully played through Majora's Mask last year, I found it's quickly become my favorite.
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Offline Rew

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« #3 on: June 23, 2010 »

One might say OoT is the better Zelda game, while MM is the better video game.

My personal preference is for OoT, but both are in my top 3 Zelda games.

The only thing that's a genuine flaw for me with regard to MM is its save system, namely how limited you are with when and how you can save your progress.
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Offline River Devil

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« #4 on: June 23, 2010 »

It's the only Zelda games where the side missions have as much weight as dungeons, and what you do between dungeons can actually be better than the dungeons themselves, which says a lot because I think all the four dungeons are a significant upgrade over any of the dungeons in Ocarina of Time.

Like I said, it's all a matter of opinion.
 
I also gotta say, your so-called complaints about Majora's Mask are just stupid nitpicks.
Yeah.  They are.  I was playing in the vein of the OP for these.  But...

You lose minor items because they're so ubiquitous.
Why not just keep them?  That's what I would rather.  It doesn't even make sense to lose them.  If he has them on his person, they should travel back in time with him, right?

Ocarina of Time has kinda lost its repute as of late.
I don't really think that's entirely true.  As I mentioned in another pose somewhere, back in 2008 when OoT hit it's 10 year anniversary, all over the web there were lots of blogs and editorials dedicated to it.  MM will hit is 10 this October (for North America).  Will it get the same treatment?  (I fully expect one from you, Jord!    )

That being said I think both Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are both brilliant titles that very easily complement each other

No disagreement there.  I fully intend to go back and play through MM one of these days.  Who knows?  Maybe I'll change my mind and jump the fence too.  
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Offline JordAnime

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« #5 on: June 24, 2010 »

Like I said, it's all a matter of opinion.

The argument of a man who can't make a good argument.  "Hey it's all a matter of opinion, why even critically discuss anything?"

Why not just keep them?  That's what I would rather.  It doesn't even make sense to lose them.  If he has them on his person, they should travel back in time with him, right?

Again, the items are so ubiquitous and easily re-obtained(the same thing with currency), that I don't think it really matters that you lose it.  Everyone grouses that Zelda games are too easy these days, but when something that adds a little bit of extra difficultly is called out.  Same thing with the game's save system.  Yeah, it is my only real complaint with the game too, but it does add an extra layer of strategy; frankly, I like it.  It's a game that's so good it demands your time.  It's a commitment.
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Offline River Devil

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« #6 on: June 24, 2010 »

To each, their own I guess.
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Offline THorNE636

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« #7 on: August 11, 2010 »

im a life long zelda fan, i have played every zelda to the fullest, majoras mask is my favorite, and ocarina of time is what i consider, average. il ike variety in games though. and originality. majoras mask is the only zelda game of its kind. there will never be another zelda game with only 4 dungeons, the 3 day system, and majora as the antagonist. i respect ocarina of time, but i dont cheish it. ocarina of time revolutionized zelda and 3d gaming. it was the first attempt. so it stuck closely to the original zelda format, with 3d perspective. my problems with ocarina are only that the story didnt captivate me. every single character in the game felt very mechanical. unrealistic. like almost all of them held the same personallity and outlooks. ocarina of time is a good game, but lacks diversity. every step through the game is similar to the previous step. learn a new song, dungeon. learn a new song, dungeon. the game to me feels very, bland. its a good game, just very average. now there is of course some diversity and wonder throughout the game, but just not enough for me.

i love majoras mask due to the way it starts. it starts as a more personal story for link. link is endlessly searching for a lost friend, not saving the world as his fate entails, but him doing what he wants. there is no guiding force throughout the game, like the sages or shiek. just link and tatl, alone, against the odds. the characters show more personallity and diversity, and the plot feels more, real. theatrically of course. its not a destined hero saving the world, its a boy searching for a friend, who was simply side tracked. link himself has a heroic personality, so once he sees the power of the evil mask, he realizes if he doesnt stop whats going on, noone will. i also enjoy the exploration and diverse amount of minigames and sidequests, with only 4 dungeons and heart containers, it leaves a great number of heart pieces to be found and earned. though there are less dungeons, they go much further. just getting to the dungeon itself is a much greater ordeal than ocarinas dungeons. the landscapes are different, the stories about each one are diverse, and the game as a whole is very entertaining, but my main reason for loving the game is because its more about exploration and extras, not just dungeons, which is honestly how ocarina is. not that theres a problem with that, its just not my thing. thanks for reading my pointless opinions :D to each his own, in the grand perspective of things, they are both legendary games.









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Offline Be_yourself

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« #8 on: August 11, 2010 »



i love majoras mask due to the way it starts. it starts as a more personal story for link.









I agree with this a lot. I like Link to be the centre of attention.
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